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I always like it when you leave comments, though the every-day pace of this blog often makes it hard to get into extended discussions here. We've had a few.

But here's one I'd like your thoughts on, and not necessarily in the comments section here. Over at Daily Ink, editor Brendan Burford has an entry about the use of language in this Baby Blues from two weeks ago. As he notes, Wanda used the word "boobs" and the world didn't end.

I thought it was a funny strip, but the last bit of dialogue did bring me up short for a moment, and I thought, "There'll be some phone calls Monday!" And apparently there were some, but not a mountain of them.

In his blog entry, Burford seems to attribute this to an audience that is growing up and accepting a little more edge in their strips. And I know that a lot of my cartoonist friends and acquaintances will echo that.

In fact, he links to another entry a few months ago with Baby Blues/Zits writer Jerry Scott (who works with artists Rick Kirkman and Jim Borgman on those strips) in which they said things I agree with, though I commented then, too, with similar cautions to what I said this time around.

Maybe the audience is becoming more sophisticated, but there are two other possible explanations  and neither of them is good:

1. We've become so degraded in our standards that nothing short of an F-bomb will phase us.

2. Nobody cares what is in the comics anymore.

Make it three possible alternatives: There is also the possibility that comics have made enough of a shift from print to online that the issue of little kids seeing them has become less of a concern.

That's also bad news for a couple of reasons: For one thing, the money part hasn't caught up, and it's one more milestone on the road to not being able to afford to do syndicated strips anymore and, for another, comics have always been an entry point to bring young readers to the newspaper, but, even that aside, they are an entry point to bring kids to comics themselves. Even web cartoonists should be concerned with that last point.

"It's okay; the kids aren't watching" is a collection of two phrases that just don't belong together.

I left this comment at Burford's blog:

I'm torn on this question, because, as a writer, I'm in favor of good jokes and of cartoons with a little edge. As a former newspaper person, however, I'm also aware that the comics page is one thing, as opposed to TV, which is a collection of things from which you can choose.

And comic strips are bite-sized — it's not like choosing to read a column or Ann Landers. It's not like an hour-long TV show. Peggy Charren, who campaigned for children's television, used to say that, if you're reading a book to your kids and two men start having a fistfight in another part of the room, you can't expect the kids not to look up, but, in fact, you can say, "We don't watch that show."

However, a comic strip is not a TV show that requires turning to a specific channel at a specific time. Saying "if you don't like that strip, don't read it," is not a realistic choice — it's there, it's like saying "If you don't like that commercial, turn off the TV when it comes on."

In the olden days, there was differentiation — Rip Kirby was not Miss Peach, and a parent reading strips could skip over Rip Kirby with no objection from the kid, because they'd see the more complex art and agree "that strip isn't for me."

But when the strips all feature simple art, talking animals and especially children, it's hard to make that argument.

I have no problem, by the way, with Wanda breastfeeding Wren, including the nuk-nuk sound effects. That's part of family life and, in fact, I applaud it because it's real and that's good for the comics page.

But would Wanda have made that remark within hearing of the two older kids? Well, she just made it within hearing of a lot of kids their age.

Not saying the decision was wrong. But it sure wasn't clear-cut, and I'm not sure it was right. I think I'd have worked with them to come up with a similar gag that didn't go there.

This is, I think, an important issue, and I know a lot of comics fans, and especially comics creators, will differ from my point of view. And some will agree. And you'll note that Jerry Scott and I are not terribly far apart, except that I'd have modified this specific strip.

Telling me what you think is one thing, and I certainly welcome it, but here's your chance to talk to the guy who actually makes the call for a lot of strips.


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  1. I also posted this at dailyink, but I’m in Seattle right now, where they recycle even more than they do in the county in Maryland where I live.
    Not an opinion, but a further comment: Stone Soup creator Jan Eliot put the word “boobs” in a Sunday comic once, and was told that although she could put it in a weekday strip, she couldn’t put it in a Sunday strip. She tells this story in the introduction to her second (?) collection, You Can’t Say Boobs on Sunday.

  2. I thought of that when the strip first appeared two weeks ago — Oh, won’t Jan be pleased to know the rule has changed!
    Different syndicate, different editors. And some time has passed. And boobs have changed, too, or at least fashion has: You still aren’t allowed to stare at them, but now they’re right there staring back.
    I don’t know if that’s a new openness or just another puzzlement, but it’s certainly part of this question. My question is, if the other two kids were drawn in the cartoon, if they were standing in a line of kids waiting to see Santa, would the punchline still feel okay?

  3. My reaction is a lot more simple-minded: “boobs” as a synonym for “breasts” has just become widely-acceptable instead of mildly blue. Among other reasons, it’s just easier to say — “breasts” has a couple of consonant clusters, br and sts, that are a little uncomfortable in English. So, yeah, I think if the other two were in the frame, “boobs” would feel just as okay as “breasts,” and excuse me while I go off in the corner for a moment and have a Beavis moment. (“Tits,” on the other hand, would probably not have seen the light of newsprint even without the other two kids present.)
    I’ll tell you what does faze me though…

  4. done commented, here too:
    I can’t for the life of me understand why Americans (and a lot of others) have an obsession with this part of the body. In by far most of Europe a breast (or a boob or what you like to call it) is no more shocking than an arm or a nose. They’re just different body parts. Nothing dirty about them. Why is a man’s nipple allowed but not a woman’s? (yes I do realize the sexualisation but well, that’s a normal part of life too).

  5. I’m so into free speech that even some of my dearest and liberalist think i go too far, but i tend to think writers should write what they want, and if they’re *regularly* perceived as too crude by the readers, the strip would be dropped by demand.
    Forbidding isolated instances of casual terms like this (and violent language is different) in single strips usually bugs me, unless the context is one of a character being abusive toward someone, and that rarely happens in mainstream strips. Years ago there was an arc in Bloom County in which Opus went on strike so they auditioned replacements, and a potential replacement penguin said “Reagan sucks!” It caused flaps all over the place, but even then, the whole point was that it was a lousy way to make political points and the gentle Opus couldn’t be replaced with a character so tone-deaf.

  6. The word didn’t even give me pause here. I was too busy guffawing knowingly – I had a kid just like that.
    I agree with what Sherwood said: “Boob” is easier to say than “breast”; “tits” is a different matter. (I’m not fond of “tits” because it sounds harsher in a lurid kind of way, as in some drooling neanderthal saying, “Look at the tits on that babe!” Which may be a stereotypical interpretation on my part, but that image is connected to the word in my mind, nevertheless.)
    Another point about the usage of “boobs” – I use it a lot when I see someone engaging in foolish behavior. As in, “What a boob!”

  7. For me, having the mother make her statement in front of a couple of 4 – 6 year olds would not change my view of the comic – which I found humorous. But I increasingly view the United States as two nations.
    I recall about 2 – 3 months ago a news report that a grocery store in Arkansas (?) had placed one of those magazine modesty placards over a front cover picture of Elton John, his partner and their adopted child. Also, there are the two Easton, PA girls suspended for defying a ban on their middle school’s Breast Cancer Awareness Day by wearing “I heart boobies” bracelets. Keep A Breast Foundation sells the bracelets to engage young people in breast cancer awareness. (It took a federal judge to declare that the ban violated the students’ constitutionally protected free speech.)
    I personally find both situations absurdly laughable to the point of surrealness ~ particularly given we are subjected to virtually constant television commercials about erectile dysfunction and vaginal dryness.
    I do not believe as a society we have sunk to the depths of not being shocked by truly vulgar expressions. I think there is a greater selectivity to the words/phrases that warrant that kind of societal censorship. There are multiple examples other than the F bomb that just cannot be said in a conversation/comic by standards which most of America would consider appropriate.
    And while comics do not currently care the weight in our culture they once had even 20 years ago – neither do I believe people do not care. I follow Arlo & Janis and point to the success of his recently self-published collection.
    I suspect 30% of the population would say there is nothing wrong with this comic’s use of the word boobs, 30% would be utterly appalled (and they are the ones on the phones) and the remainder 40% would have varying opinions. Twenty years ago, the majority would have objected. I suspect (hope?) now the majority would not be bothered.
    Don’t forget, Rob and Laura Petrie had to use separate beds …

  8. Oops … comics do not currently CARRY the weight … Sorry!

  9. I think that, as editor, if Rick and Jerry had been united that the gag was okay, I’d have let it through. If they were at all dubious, I’d have asked if it could be recast with Wren climbing on Wanda at a coffee klatsch with the other kids visible in the background, so it was firmly in the safer “among girls” context.
    But when I saw it two weeks ago, my reaction, as said, was “they’re gonna get some calls,” and not “they shouldn’t have done that.”
    Still, there remains a need for caution on the comics page because, I would (and did) argue, it’s all one piece and you can’t expect the audience to self-select by rating. I go back to the Peanuts which contained a spoiler to “Citizen Kane.” I still think that was a bad cartoon because not all readers have seen the movie.
    Ditto with comics that are too direct about the reality of Santa. One advantage of webcomics is that Medium Large can be wonderfully sick on the topic. A comic strip that will appear in a paper has to be more circumspect. And I love Medium Large.
    This was a brilliant strip to spark the conversation, because I don’t think it’s clear-cut. And it made me laff, which really muddies things!

  10. And Dave, you’re gonna carry that weight, carry that weight, a long time.

  11. … by which time he’ll be feeling ’bout half past dead.

  12. I didn’t mind the use of the term boobs. I did mind that the strip wasn’t funny or clever. To me it seemed, “Oh it’s Christmas, and we’ll use this kid, and what shall we do with it? We’ll have it crawl all over Santa, and then…hmm…and then…? Oh, the hell with it just say anything to finish the strip.”

  13. Besides, TODAY is supposed to be Wren Day.

  14. The line just felt ‘off’ to me – for her. Guess I still don’t hear the word used that casually in that kind of setting. I thought the gag was really funny and didn’t ‘object to the use of the term – just didn’t believe she’d have said it.

  15. Is the child still of nursing age?

  16. It surprised me a little, but only because so many comics are some tame. “Tits” would have been too far, “Ta-Tas” would have been silly. I didn’t think it inappropriate.
    And yes, Wren is still nursing.

  17. I thought it was an unnecessary reference. They could have said “lipstick” and it would have made the same point, getting virtually the same reward without a sort of awkward reference that a mom would talk about her boobs to a department store Santa she doesn’t know.

  18. That would have made the same point only if Wren associates Covergirl Lipperfection with sustenance.

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