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Will there be a Success in Comics DVD release?

I received word from Bill Kellogg, the marketing/sales guy for Tundra, about whether the Success in Comics seminar will be released to DVD. After discussing the issue with Chad Carpenter, the strip’s creator and co-host of the event, they decided they are not going to make the video available. In his own words,

The primary reasons are; there were a couple speakers that asked us not to film them or at least not make it available if we did – which would leave some big holes. In addition, as it was put several times in the comments and e-mails directly to me, we feel it would be unfair to all of those who attended and paid the $350, paid for airfare, hotel, food, etc., and took vacation time to be there. We are going to do a “promo” video with clips & highlights that we will put up on the Tundra site at some point.

Bill also tells me that a future seminar is being considered.

Community Comments

#1 Ted Rall
October/1/2009
@ 10:07 am

Correct decision. Giving content away for free eliminates the incentive for others to pay for it.

That reminds me of something else, but I forget what it is.

#2 Tohpe Davila (@daviladraws)
October/1/2009
@ 10:21 am

I don’t think I could disagree more with his line of logic more. The licensing discussion after the fact I do get being tricky at best, and I understand people paid money to go, but if everything could be worked out I’d be quite happy to PAY money for the DVD.

Unfair. I’d call that a bit strong words if someone is willing to pay for the DVD like I would, and I’d be willing to pay for it as an instructional course prices meaning well above $19.95 sort of thing.

I can only guess at the line of logic that seems to be at the base that a DVD would be a deturrent to not going to the last one or the next one, which I don’t see it being at all. I can almost, key word almost, get the logic of not posting the info free, but if someones willing to pay for the content shows a kind of short sightedness in promotion, exposure and business.

Allowing this information to be released in a purchased format would give money to the people that talked (hopefully) and if anything show the people that didn’t go how valuable it was and why they really shouldn’t miss the next one. I know the short write ups on this website have done that for me, what more would actually getting the full info do?

Yes short sighted I think and “unfair”, eh.. can’t agree with that too.

#3 Mike Cope
October/1/2009
@ 10:27 am

“Giving content away for free eliminates the incentive for others to pay for it. That reminds me of something else, but I forget what it is.”

Hammer …

Nail …

BANG ON!

#4 Ted Rall
October/1/2009
@ 10:38 am

Iâ??d be willing to pay for it as an instructional course prices meaning well above $19.95 sort of thing.

If the DVD were priced at $350 plus $800 (round-trip airfare to Vegas plus a few nights hotel), that would probably be acceptable.

#5 Tony Piro
October/1/2009
@ 10:40 am

Good points. Since the DVD won’t be available I’ll definitely look into making a time machine, going back in time, paying the $350, and attending the seminar.

Ted, they said nothing about giving the DVD away for free. They could always charge for it.

#6 Jeff Payden
October/1/2009
@ 10:46 am

I also would be willing to pay for a DVD. At least those who couldn’t attend, due to scheduling conflicts, could gain some insight from the information shared.

I’m assuming the attendees had the benefit of not only gaining valuable information firsthand, but had the opportunity to speak one on one with, and ask questions of the guest speakers. I would also assume that making contacts with others in the industry proved to be valuable â?? which is something you can’t do through watching a DVD.

I had actually contacted Mr. Kellogg via email before the seminar to mention that I couldn’t attend due to a schedule conflict and inquired if a DVD would be available afterward. I understand that even though he said that he planned to make a DVD available, this was not a guarantee.

It’s unfortunate that this is their decision because I believe many would pay for whatever information could be included in the DVD. Perhaps they’ll reconsider.

#7 Stacy Curtis
October/1/2009
@ 11:21 am

Since this seminar was about “success,” you would have thought someone would have been smart enough to have made bootleg videos of the sessions, burn it all to DVD and sold them over the internet.

In fact, I wouldn’t put it past Mark Anderson to have thought of that. Someone ought to check his iPhone.

#8 Brian Powers
October/1/2009
@ 11:28 am

I missed another opportunity. Doh!

#9 Matt Zalen
October/1/2009
@ 11:39 am

Giving content away for free is crap, and I think we all agree with that. But like some of the others said, this would obviously be for pay, and like the others, I would definitely be able to pay.

Besides, if we’re talking about what’s fair, what about those people who would have to shell out $2,000 for airfare alone because they’re coming from overseas (such as myself). I mean hell, is this meant only for the US audience? Is that fair?

#10 Mike Cope
October/1/2009
@ 11:51 am

@Matt Zalen … I know exactly what you mean with respect to airfare. It’s not as bad for me, since I live in Canada, but if I knew that I could buy the presentations on DVD for even $100, would I be tempted to save on all the other expenses if/when the next conference comes up???

Right now, I think so.

Based on the notes that Alan posted during the two-day event, as well as the feedback I’ve read from those who did attend, it certainly sounds like many got their money’s worth from the experience.

The thing that was unique about this event was that it was the first time something like this had been done … And you had to be there to enjoy it.

Nothing wrong with that.

#11 Stephen Beals
October/1/2009
@ 12:17 pm

How is this different than buying a Cirque du Soleil DVD or some success guru’s book on tape? There were many seminars for the Artist’s Way, but I couldn’t attend any of them. That didn’t stop them from releasing audio and video of the events.

I think the type of crowd that’s willing to purchase a DVD is not the same crowd that’s going to fly to Vegas. From a marketing standpoint, not releasing it on DVD doesn’t really make sense.

And if they do release it on DVD, can anyone loan me a copy?

#12 Bill Kellogg
October/1/2009
@ 12:18 pm

I had originally planned to make a dvd available for a yet undetermined price, but as I said, there were two speakers who didn’t want their talks filmed. That was something I did not anticipate as this was the first seminar I ever put together.

I will ask the remaining speakers what they think about us selling dvdâ??s of the seminar but I can see now that either way, half of you will not be happy with the outcome.

For Tophe in comment #2, the “unfair” comment was something that was said to me in an e-mail by one of our attendees. I understand why some think it would be unfair to sell the dvd but I personally don’t feel that it would be; nor do I think it would keep many from attending the next seminar. In my opinion, the biggest benefit from attending this seminar was the one-on-one time between and after the talks and at the social get-togethers each night.

Either way, if we do another seminar, I will let everyone know up front whether or not we will make a dvd available and if so, how much it will cost. Thatâ??s a good lesson learned.

#13 Kelly McNutt
October/1/2009
@ 12:27 pm

“And if they do release it on DVD, can anyone loan me a copy?”

LOL – pretty good.

Protest as much as you want, but those of you saying “you weren’t there, too bad” smacks of “I’ve got mine”.

We should really do away with libraries, as well… all that free content laying around. I mean, really. I went and PAID for my copy of “The Illusion of Life” and Walt Stanchfield’s “Drawn to Life”, why should Joe Schmoe get his for free? AUGH the world is SO unfair.

#14 Kelly McNutt
October/1/2009
@ 12:31 pm

BTW – I’m hoping to go to the next one (should there be another one) and I couldn’t care LESS if they then decided to sell or give away anything related to the event. Having Stanchfield’s lecture notes is a pale shadow of being there to see him deliver.

#15 Stephen Beals
October/1/2009
@ 12:49 pm

Wow, a Walt Stanchfield reference. I’m happy to say that I did get to see him lecture. Amazing person. Anyone interested can order his book Drawn to Life on Amazon. A pale shadow of his lecture is still better than most lectures you’ll see.

#16 Ted Rall
October/1/2009
@ 12:56 pm

Several AAEC members told me that they would not have gone to the Seattle convention had they been able to watch it livestreamed online or in some other digital format.

#17 Kelly McNutt
October/1/2009
@ 12:59 pm

Beals, I am officially jealous.

Also, couldn’t agree more on Drawn to Life: amazing stuff and don’t want anyone to think I’m casting dispersions on it, just trying to make a point, clumsily as it may be.

(I’ve got a comment earlier in this thread that’s “awaiting moderation”, which has never happened to me before… I’m watching my language, I promise!)

#18 Alan Gardner
October/1/2009
@ 1:09 pm

@kelly Mcnutt – I’ve released your comment. Not sure why it went into moderation. Email if it happens again.

Alan

#19 Alex Hallatt
October/1/2009
@ 4:31 pm

I imagine the difficulty here is not in being fair to the people who paid to go to the conference (a very different, richer experience than watching a DVD), but in finding a way to make money out of the DVD considering the number of parties involved.

If it was just Chad and Bill, I’m sure they would do it, but to share the revenue with all involved makes it a losing proposition.

#20 Tom Wood
October/1/2009
@ 5:54 pm

Robert McKee resisted writing Story because he made a good living doing live seminars for screenwriters, and he was concerned that the book sales would cut into the seminar attendance. The book sold well and he keeps doing seminars.

#21 Scott Kurtz
October/1/2009
@ 6:09 pm

Ted,

You’re the reason I made a tee shirt that reads “I’m killing newspapers by reading webcomics.” Because people like you keep whining about those of us who deign to let our readers see our comic strips for free.

All of your business models are based on the idea of scarcity. Technology has left the viability of that model in the past. Your work is no longer a limited commodity.

And the papers don’t want to subsidize it any longer.

You guys gotta get over it.

That being said. I wasn’t able to make it out to the event, and I would love to see a DVD of it. I wish you guys were able to sell one.

People do this all the time. I just bought the latest Patton Oswalt comedy album and I’m sure the people who paid to see him live don’t care. They paid for the experience. Which isn’t lessened at all by the fact that Patton wants to also share that material with a larger audience.

Something to think about.

#22 Bill Kellogg
October/1/2009
@ 7:00 pm

Boy I hope this doesn’t turn into a print vs. web debate. I think this seminar showed that both print & web cartoonist have a lot of great ideas on how to make money with comics. I think the smart ones will try to find a way to apply what works for other cartoonists to make more money from their own strips, whether it is print web based.

Also, I am not at all afraid that selling the dvd will keep people from attending. In fact I think it will do the opposite. This was a great chance to mingle and chat with a lot of talented people in the comics industry which has a lot more value than the dvd will provide.

I was initially swayed a bit by some of the comments and e-mail from some of the attendees, but the biggest problem I have with selling the dvd is that I did not think to get permission from the speakers in advance. Having never done anything like this before, that thought never even occured to me. I’ll fix that next time though.

If we do offer or any future seminars on dvd, they won’t be free. We will have to figure out a price to pay for videographer for putting it together as well as something for each of the speakers. It wouldn’t be fair to the speakers if we got paid and they didn’t.

#23 Bill Kellogg
October/1/2009
@ 8:03 pm

I had a long week in Vegas and still have not recovered. That is my excuse for the mistakes in my last post anyway.

#24 Brian Powers
October/1/2009
@ 8:23 pm

You guys did a great job, Bill. You can’t possibly think of everything the first time around. I’m looking forward to next year if it happens. If you planned to do DVD sales next year, it might help pay for the event. It wouldn’t bother me at all. I would still rather attend in person.

#25 Steve Skelton
October/1/2009
@ 9:09 pm

I echo what Brian said. Being an illustrator and cartoonist is a pretty solitary profession, so being there was both fun and informative. We all love to draw and we all love to write and being with other like minded folks was really refreshing for me!

#26 Rich Diesslin
October/2/2009
@ 12:10 am

I agree with Bill and it is fact that at least 2 asked that their comments be totally candid. So that might be 1/4 to 1/3 the seminar content that would be on the DVD. I appreciate that they speaker’s felt they could be candid and glad folks are honoring their requests. As to what they should have considered doing ahead of time, I’d say cut them some slack, this was the first one they did. I really appreciate the time and energy and hospitality that went into it.

It’s possible that others might put their presentations or notes on their web sites – I’m guessing nothing says they can’t. Personally it doesn’t matter to me what Tundra decides to do about a DVD; I’m glad I went, felt it was well worth it and while the presentations were good, being there was better. So ditto what Brian said! ;)

#27 Matt Zalen
October/2/2009
@ 2:06 am

Bill, I appreciate you applying our comments to any possible changes. And here’s another one for consideration:

Next seminar, please do it on the east coast. I’d definitely try and make that.

#28 Tohpe Davila (@daviladraws)
October/2/2009
@ 5:49 am

Bill Kellogg – I’m glad you’ve had a platform to explain yourself here as your initial comments made it seem like the event was seen in a more elective comment rather than simple oversight of a first time planner. It really did help me change my opinion of the reason for no DVD being released. Thank you.

That said I do have sympathy for figuring out rights post event, but as far as I am concerned even the equivilant of table scraps of information The Daily Cartoonist posted is gold to me, so I can’t help think how much more (literally) valuable the full information would be.

If the projected DVD / non DVD were missing two speakers I’d realish the information that was with the remaining speakers that were video taped.

My comment regarding prices I’d like to take a half second to expand on. Me I see this event as job training sort of thing and thus understand a higher value attached to it as I expect it to reflect in in future increased revenue. I’d gladly pay $100-150 for the full event and with two missing speakers I’d gladly pay $75-125 for the remaining speakers. Also has anyone considered including notes from the two that were not video taped. Information is information.

I do understand that networking is perhaps as valuable as the seminars themselves but it is what we that didn’t go can take away from this event, and that alone is literally worth a deecent amount of money to me.

I do disagree with the elective natures of those that seem to think that one should keep such information behind closed doors and only to those that could attend. Released information is not a deturrent to attendance. it simply isn’t, and to those that it might be are greatly and I mean severely disproportionately outweight those that it won’t. If anything I’d wager it increase exposure and relevance. If some notes on a blog convince me of what I’ve missed out on, when being able to see most of the speakers would increase my value of making sure I go next time.

The elective nature of keeping it to those that only attended is merely does nothing other than keep the info locked away as opposed to the benifits of exposure for the conference and even generating revenue for those that spoke. They must get something out of the DVD. THAT’S only fair.

I was told of a great aunt of mine that wouldnâ??t let anyone see her Indian card / tribe paperwork for fear that if she gave out the info sheâ??s loose benefits. She didnâ??t understand that the benefits wouldnâ??t be less if she shared them. Itâ??s a similar mindset here. Keeping info has never lent to anything less than keeping info, and if someoneâ??s willing to pay for it, itâ??s revenue for the planners and the people who spoke.

also consider that not everyone can go, I know it seems simple but there seems to be an air in the comments of those that are opposing my point of view seems to be that all could go and simply decided not to. That simply isn’t the case. Not all of us have the money to travel in these times or our business model isn’t at a place where they could spend such money as after rent and such it simply isn’t there. For those that had funds to attend, consider not every one did.

Of if they did they still couldn’t. I’ll use myself as an example. As I have Long Beach Comic Con starting tomorrow (as in Friday) thereâ??s simply no way I could have gone to both events even if I had the extra funds to. This last weekend was spent in con prep, and so will a portion of this week. Stuff like pulling the booth out of storage, doing inventory of our stock last Friday night, etc. There simply wasnâ??t time. If memory serves this event was posted several months ago and for me there was enough funds for one of the other. In the end Iâ??m exhibiting at Long Beach Comic Con as represents income from the stock of Geekdom Wear and TomatoTV.net we can sell and further connecting with established contacts.

I just didnâ??t want you to have a view of people that were possibly not going because they didnâ??t see a value in it. Some Iâ??m sure couldnâ??t afford it and others couldnâ??t go for other various reasons. For me, even if there had been money, there wouldnâ??t have been time.

I also want to make not that I am coming at this from the point of view of someone that’s spoken at Iâ??ve talked on similar panels and never really considered such information elective. For both Wonder Con and Comic Con TomatoTV.net (of which Iâ??m the editor) had a panel called â??full time output on a part time scheduleâ?. In a nutshell it was how our co-operative work model helps us using a team / staff model publish enough times a week to rival professional comic strips creators do with one person doing it full time. The information was for creators and my hopes were that it was very useful. Iâ??ve had several people follow up with us and Iâ??ve had the pleasure of helping those post panel inquaries out with what I could.

I am by no means as well established as the people who spoke on this circuit, but when I was talking to creators in my audience the concept of keeping the information exclusive to who was in the room never crossed my mind. It was to help and share and I would have been in a position to say what to do with the information as it was TomaoTV.netâ??s panel, I was moderating and it was our work flow we were sharing about. So maybe itâ??s a different mindset difference, but when I was the one speaking the concept of not sharing didnâ??t strike me as unfair to the ones that couldnâ??t make it into the room at that time. In fact I wanted to type up my notes and have them to pass out to who was interested in taking them, but ended up running out of time with overall convention prep.

So in closure, Bill if you can untangle the rights/pay/release information of the speakers that are willing to the speakers that are willing to release their video taped panels I’d gladly pay premium rates ($75-125 depending on how many panels end up on the DVD) and such a price would bring money to the speakers as well as be comparable to actual attendance. I’d really like to know the information that was talked about so I can improve my business and I will definately make the next one if there is one.

#29 Tohpe Davila (@daviladraws)
October/2/2009
@ 5:51 am

Also Ted Rall, I don’t know why you used “Free” so much I never used the term and neither did the initial post. You come across as slightly inflamitory and that’s not polite given we are adults here.

#30 Ted Rall
October/2/2009
@ 9:53 am

@Davila: You are right. I should have written “basically free” or “nearly free” or “essentially free” or “cheap.”

@Scott Kurtz: You lie! You write: “Because people like you keep whining about those of us who deign to let our readers see our comic strips for free.” Visit http://www.rall.com. Click “Archives.” All free.

Anyway, aren’t you banned? If not, you should be. Disagreement is fine, but it’s impossible to discuss anything with a toxic personality who willfully and repeatedly lies about what other people say.

Generally (to everyone except SK), I’ve been thinking about this topic and perhaps I was too hasty in my response. Comedy show and rock concert CDs and DVDs certainly don’t take anything away from those who attended in person. Still, you do have to balance that against the cheapskates who would attend in person if they didn’t think a video version would be forthcoming.

#31 Jason Nocera
October/2/2009
@ 9:59 am

Honestly, if I did attend and it was as insightful as many of you indicated, I would probably buy the DVD as well. (or perhaps the DVD could be offered for free to attendants?) I’m a horrible note-taker – I end up doodling in the pages instead…but isn’t that what most cartoonists do?

#32 Wiley Miller
October/2/2009
@ 10:49 am

I got the impression from earlier posts that the real benefit of this seminar was actually being there and communing with others of like mind, just like that of AAEC conventions and the NCS Reuben Weekend, rather than any new information coming out of the talks. These events are very beneficial for the psyche of cartoonists, as you are surrounded by people who speak the same language, not because of anything new you might learn from any of the speakers.

It appeared to me that the topics and information was pretty much what’s been discussed here and on other cartoon boards many, many times, so I’m puzzled on just what real benefit anyone expects to get from a video of the conference. So I think Mr. Kellogg’s explanation and reasoning is sound and should be honored regarding videos of the conference. Besides, that should be encouragement for those that missed to attend the next one, which I assume will happen.

#33 Tom Wood
October/2/2009
@ 11:53 am

These events are very beneficial for the psyche of cartoonists, as you are surrounded by people who speak the same language, not because of anything new you might learn from any of the speakers.

But ‘they’ are working on a way to store all your memories:

http://tinyurl.com/y9xanlw

So then it’s just a matter of time before Brainstorm becomes a reality and attendees can share their beneficial to the psyche experience.

#34 Steve Scheckner
October/2/2009
@ 11:54 am

DVD or no DVD, thanks to all of those who were involved for a stellar and invaluable event.

#35 Alan Jones
October/2/2009
@ 12:46 pm

Seems the event can be divided into 1) the networking/ one-on-one and 2) basic information on how/what/etc.

So, per @Wiley:

“I got the impression from earlier posts that the real benefit of this seminar was actually being there and communing with others of like mind, just like that of AAEC conventions and the NCS Reuben Weekend, rather than any new information coming out of the talks.”

This is the justification for paying to go/see/hear etc. That’s what can’t be sold in a DVD and by definition is protected from being doled out for free. Seems everyone here agrees that’s where the value of the event lies.

What can be sold in a DVD, it follows, and should be, for whatever fair value, is the info from part 2. This is the stuff that follows in Kelly’s example of the library. Properly edited with a specific goal in mind it could be, as Mr. Kellogg suggested, a valuable marketing device!

#36 Alan Gardner
October/2/2009
@ 1:45 pm

Anyway, arenâ??t you banned?

I’ve received a couple of questions regarding Scott Kurtz and his recent posts here. As you may recall, there was a public declaration that he was banned from posting here. I was pretty ticked off that morning after one of his posts, and made an emotional decision – something I try hard not to do.

A couple of months ago, I had the opportunity to talk to Scott privately about the decision and the variables that led to it. We both expressed regret for the way things went down, and felt that he could come back and participate constructively within our discussions. While I won’t always agree with everything he has to say, I think his opinions are as much worth discussing as anyone else’s. He was reinstated a month or so back.

I don’t expect everyone to agree with him, but I do expect everyone (on both sides) to treat each other with respect.

#37 Ted Rall
October/2/2009
@ 2:23 pm

It’s your board, Alan, but Scott’s tone is already so caustic (and this is coming from me, remember!) that I predict you will soon come to regret letting him back on the board.

I was one of those who commented against the ban at the time, but I was wrong.

#38 Michael Kandalaft
October/2/2009
@ 4:34 pm

Thanks to all the Tundra crew, the speakers, and the guests for making this an incredibly valuable seminar, both personally and professionally.

#39 Scott Kurtz
October/2/2009
@ 4:58 pm

I love how Ted starts the fight with his shot at free models but I’m the dick. And I also love how he’s supporting my censorship.

You’re a class act as always, Ted.

Job hunt got ya cranky?

#40 Kevin Chu
October/2/2009
@ 5:32 pm

People seem to be forgetting that “there were a couple speakers that asked us not to film them or at least not make it available if we did.” Everything else seems irrelevant after that.

#41 Abby Lehrke
October/2/2009
@ 5:35 pm

There’s value in attending a concert and *especially* a seminar that you can’t get from watching a DVD. For instance, personal access to the guests if the seminar is small enough, ability to ask salient questions, etc. The TED lectures don’t suffer at all being posted streaming online in their entirety. It seems that in this case, there just wasn’t the preparation necessary to create the DVD that it seems that some people may have bought. I don’t think that this post really has anything to do with a free business model at all.

Moreso than “cheapskates,” the people who did not attend are probably just busy or unable to afford it. If they didn’t care about comics, they would not have thought of attending at all.

#42 michael_fighter
October/2/2009
@ 5:39 pm

Hey Scott you and Ted should just rent a huge mud-pit and fight in it bare-chested like true men.

Anyway,

I would have paid for the DVD, but that’s just me. To an extent I would get a similar experience as those that paid more to go there, so I can respect their desicion.

On the other hand Scott does (to an extent) have a point about the “they went for the experience” whereas I just get the content.

I’m probably going to stay neutral on this issue seeing as both sides make sense.

#43 Matt Rogers
October/2/2009
@ 5:48 pm

I would love to see a DVD produced from the event. Especially since being part of a small self-publishing comic company we would have a hard time justifying attending the event in person at this time. I would love to go in person but just to be able to get at the information discussed would be a valuable tool.

An option for the DVD would be to release the DVD of the previous year at the event. Then the people who could attend get the instant benefits from being there but the people who can’t make it for whatever reason will eventually have access to the information.

#44 Scott Kurtz
October/2/2009
@ 5:53 pm

Oh well, it’s moot for this year. But I would love to see a DVD for these kinds of events. I always wish they recorded panels at San Diego Comicon too.

#45 David Soponski
October/2/2009
@ 5:58 pm

First off, The content in question: Success in Comics Seminar.

I’ll be the first to admit I’e had limited experience with seminars (at least staying away through them) but it was my understanding that you pay people to speak at them, to shovel out thier collective wisdom from wherever they keep it and share with the room.

You have paid someone for content, so recording said content shoud be well within your rights, unless the contract you had drawn up says otherwise. If they specifically said at the time the contract was drawn up “Don’t video me, or anything I say.” then you could (in theory) “fine, your fee is much less now”.

The reason the speakers are doing this, is so that A) They can get more work (Can’t find our lectures on Youtube, hire me to get it straight from the horses as… mouth) and B) Vanity (People want to see ME, LIVE and in Concert). For them its an excuse to travel the country, getting paid to both speak on thier subject of choice and inflate their own ego’s. This goes to any lecturer and any subject.

Plus, considering the state of the economy at the momet, they’re hardly going to pass up an oppertunity to get paid for mentally oiling thier own nipples.

Secondly, The Cheapskates: Why people cannot attend worshi… the seminar.

There are many reasons people could not attend the lectures. The obvious one being money. But is that all? Are people so cheap these days? Lets see why I didn’t attend… money, a 12 hour flight where I would have slaughtered ever passenger on board (Because I hate flying), the court case for multiple homicide and life incarceration. That and I was visiting my Grandfather in Ireland at the time. 12 hour flight to infamy, or a 1 hour flight to see a hman being I give a rats backside about. No contest.

But what about everyone else, them and thier selfish lives that got in the way. Funerals, births, surgery, work, holidays, diaper chages at 2am, 4am, 4:30am, having one off the wrist, spending time with the kids, spending time with the wife/mistress, working, Providing a Lecture across the coutry/world, interviewing Tom Cruise before he’s been medicated, sleeping and posting stuff on the internet.

People lead busy lives, people cannot attend every (supposedly) major ‘must attend’ event that crops up. And strangely enough, this is the information age, an age where lectures and seminars and peoples genius can be streamed across the internet to untold millions, on a whime, just because they have somethig monumentally important to say.

Like this message board for instance.

I can’t aford the time or the money to see all my favourte comedians (and not for lack of trying) whch is why I will buy the DVD of them at the Apollo. Plus, as mentined above, the people who ran the seminar had to fork out cash to get speakers, a DVD would help them claw back some of that revenue so they can hire another speaker (maybe the same people), so this ‘don’t put me on video’ attitude is self defeating in the end.

“We can provide you a DVD of the Seminar, but we can’t show you the interesting bits, funny bits, or indeed any real content. So here’s two fanboys beaing each other to death over panel 34 of Spectacular Spiderman #16 with the famous ‘panty line’ continuity error. Enjoy.”

#46 Tom Wood
October/2/2009
@ 6:10 pm

Pffft! (Just for fun)

#47 Tyler Tinsley
October/2/2009
@ 6:11 pm

i would like a DVD but it’s something you should plan for in advance, i would ask a few of the willing guests and release the audio as a podcast. GTS (GAMA Trade Show) releases a number of it’s seminar’s in this manner and it really helps to promote the show.

PAX (penny arcade expo) puts together a dvd each year and it’s a hoot getting to see all the stuff you miss due to conflicting schedules.

#48 Jeff Pidgeon
October/2/2009
@ 6:37 pm

I’m all for recording panel discussions of any topic of interest.

There’s so much stuff going on in the world these days, it’s impossible to attend the majority of it. There is a lot of great discussion online too, but it’s not always easy to find (if you don’t know where to look).

I think there’s two tiers of benefit to events, and each could be addressed in different ways. Hopefully, it’d mean more money for everyone involved:

1) Buy tickets and go there. The upside: being up-close and personal with the speakers, and maybe the possibility of a little “face time” outside of the Q&A. The downside: the further away the event is from you, the travel expenses climb, and the more you really really have to want to go. Then there’s the scheduling thing.

2) Getting information and seeing your heroes/heroines in action, i.e, watching the event on DVD. The upside: total control over when you experience the event. The downside: this isn’t nearly as good as being there. But – if you’re really interested in the topic/speakers involved, but it’s better than nothing at all.

I think a lot of people in this (time/money-challenged) category would pay for a DVD – even a truncated one – of the event. I think the price should reflect the value difference from attending, and maybe the attendees could get a discounted DVD (or a free copy) since they (literally) went the extra mile.

As attendance has skyrocketed at Comic-Con, I also wish that I could get videos of the panels that I couldn’t attend (i.e, all of them), but I realize the the legal ramifications of doing that with so many different studios and celebrities would be a nightmare. In this case, though, I don’t think it’d be nearly as difficult.

Ultimately, a group of people could attend, take copious pictures and notes, and post it all online for free anyway. Why not broaden your spending audience?

#49 Trevor Kent
October/2/2009
@ 8:05 pm

I would love to see DVDs of seminars and panels like this. Hey, Marvel did it with “The Marvel Way”, and it spawned a whole new crop of talent for them.

Also, Ted: If you’re going to get angry with Scott, please go read your first post. You clearly feel like attacking webcomics is perfectly alright, but when a webcomic artist attacks you or print comics, he should be banned/re-banned. Sorry, that just makes no sense.

#50 Daryl Cagle
October/2/2009
@ 8:15 pm

I know the theme for the seminars was self syndication and business issues -but I found myself talking about art and writing in most of my conversations with the attendees â?? I was doing porfolio reviews, giving advice on composition and talking general creative stuff much more than business. Iâ??d enjoy seminars with top cartoonists talking about their creative process and how they draw.

I was surprised that I didnâ??t see any college art students there; it might be a good idea to market this to art students as well, and maybe have it located near an art college that teaches cartooning to boost attendance.

I was very impressed with Howard Taylor and Mark Andersonâ??s entrepreneurship â?? I learned a lot.

#51 Jim Lavery
October/2/2009
@ 9:37 pm

“Hey Scott you and Ted should just rent a huge mud-pit and fight in it bare-chested like true men.”

Will there be a DVD of the event afterwards?

#52 Bruce Arrick
October/3/2009
@ 12:34 am

Ted Rall said “Giving content away for free eliminates the incentive for others to pay for it.”

Someone better tell that to the Massachusetts Institute of Technology before it’s too late.
http://ocw.mit.edu/

#53 BOB QUICK
October/3/2009
@ 6:31 am

No DVD eh?
How about a book?
How about an article for “Stay Tooned”
(a great magazine by the way)…?

#54 Ted Rall
October/3/2009
@ 10:16 am

Also, Ted: If youâ??re going to get angry with Scott, please go read your first post. You clearly feel like attacking webcomics is perfectly alright, but when a webcomic artist attacks you or print comics, he should be banned/re-banned. Sorry, that just makes no sense.

Read my posts. I’m interested in discussing ideas. I don’t ignore what other people write when they disagree with me. I admit I’m wrong sometimes.

Then read Scott’s. Ad hominem attacks, such as making fun of the fact that I’m unemployed. (Amazing, considering all the obvious personal attacks one could launch against Scott.) Ignoring what I say. Stuffing words into other people’s mouths. Never admits when he’s wrong, which is most of the time.

There’s a difference.

#55 Mark Anderson
October/3/2009
@ 12:16 pm

Alan, how much would I have to pay to read TDC sans the worst print vs. web offenders?

#56 Wiley Miller
October/3/2009
@ 12:55 pm

It would help if certain people could tell the difference between what is a critical evaluation of an issue and what is an “attack”. It would also help that when one disagrees with something, that they’d present a calm and reasoned response directed at the subject rather than at the person they disagree with. This way, you can have an honest, intelligent means of discourse. But that apparently is too difficult on the internet… or anywhere else it seems these days.

#57 Mark Anderson
October/3/2009
@ 5:20 pm

Sigh…

#58 Wiley Miller
October/3/2009
@ 7:29 pm

You do realize that I’m in agreement with you, don’t you, Mark?

#59 Scott Kurtz
October/4/2009
@ 12:15 am

(Amazing, considering all the obvious personal attacks one could launch against Scott.)

Like what Ted? I’m sure I have no idea what you could possibly be referring to.

Putting ad hominem comments aside, I have no problem disagreeing with you on your ideas. I just wish I understood your position beyond wanting to pick a fight.

First you say “Giving content away for free eliminates the incentive for others to pay for it.”

Then you say “Visit http://www.rall.com. Click â??Archives.â? All free.”

You said that I don’t listen to what you say and I’m reminded of the time Dave Kellett tried telling you that he was making a really good wage and you just ignored him over and over and then finally demanded a W2 for proof. Who’s truly close minded here.

I think it’s pretty shocking that the president of an editorial cartooning organization would so passionately lobby for someone to be censored.

#60 Matt Davis
October/4/2009
@ 12:56 am

I would totally buy a copy of that DVD.

Also INTERNET DRAMA.

#61 Wiley Miller
October/4/2009
@ 7:28 am

“I think itâ??s pretty shocking that the president of an editorial cartooning organization would so passionately lobby for someone to be censored.”

If you will scroll up re-read Ted’s post (#37), you will note that he said exactly the opposite, Scott.

#62 Mark Anderson
October/4/2009
@ 8:13 am

How long until someone is calling someone else a “poopy pants?”

#63 Mike Cope
October/4/2009
@ 12:02 pm

@Mark Anderson … I called my baby daughter that this morning — She deserved it too!

#64 Mark Anderson
October/4/2009
@ 12:29 pm

Just as long as she doesn’t have cooties.

#65 Scott Kurtz
October/4/2009
@ 12:55 pm

Mark, you’re a big poopy pants.

#66 Mark Anderson
October/4/2009
@ 3:19 pm

Scott – yes I am.

#67 Scott Kurtz
October/4/2009
@ 5:17 pm

Mark- I just want you to understand that “poopy pants” is a huge compliment from us fart joke cartoonists.

#68 Mike Cope
October/4/2009
@ 5:30 pm

No cooties, Mark … just a cutie.

#69 Mark Anderson
October/4/2009
@ 7:31 pm

Scott – Sir, I accept your ‘poopy pants’ enthusiastically.

Cope – Awwww…

#70 Frank Zieglar
October/5/2009
@ 7:18 pm

@Ted Rall #4

Are you equating watching a DVD as the same as being there?

If not, then why would do you think a DVD should cost the same as travel, hotel, and seminar.

You may have valid reasons for not wanting a DVD made, but that is just being asinine.

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