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		<title>By: Shane Davis</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2009/06/18/are-your-cartoons-being-used-without-permission/#comment-84211</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 01:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I am officially telling you that you donâ€™t know what the fudge youâ€™re talking about.&quot;

Just wondering what it would sound like if Ralphie from &#039;A Christmas Story&#039; had said that...I guess someones lugnuts got flipped in the air....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I am officially telling you that you donâ€™t know what the fudge youâ€™re talking about.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just wondering what it would sound like if Ralphie from &#8216;A Christmas Story&#8217; had said that&#8230;I guess someones lugnuts got flipped in the air&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Krahulik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Krahulik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;1. When you say you â€œadsâ€¦[are] the main source of your income,â€ how much income are we talking about? It could be 85% of anything.&quot;

I still think it is rude to ask people how much they make. I was always taught that you don&#039;t ask people how much they make. 

&quot;a. I know the ad rates. No cartoon could possibly generate the unique visitor numbers to generate a full-time salary from those rates.&quot;

PA pays 10 full time employees salaries + benefits like health care. I&#039;m not going to tell you what they make but many of them support families and live in Seattle, not a cheap place to live. My personal salary is six figures if you really must know. I am officially telling you that you don&#039;t know what the f--- you&#039;re talking about. 

&quot;b. I know how hard it is to sell T-shirts and how little profit they generate.&quot;

It&#039;s only hard if you&#039;re making sh-- people don&#039;t want to buy.

&quot;I really donâ€™t want to start up the web vs. print thing. I just wish one webcartoonist would use specifics to talk about how it is possible to make a decent living selling ads to a comic site and associated merchandise in detail. It all sounds so Bernie Madoff to meâ€“no one addresses how terrible the rates are.&quot;

PA has three major revenue streams. Ads/merch/creative services.

ads- These are handled in house and highly targeted. 
merch- We have an online store and visit a handful of cons a year. We sell shirts,posters and printed collections of the comic.

creative services- We create custom comics for publishers based on their games. These are often used as pre-order bonuses or placed online to generate interest before the game ships. 

I&#039;m not kidding when I say that you have no idea what you&#039;re talking about. Just because you do not have a property that will succeed on the web or you do not understand the various ways of making money on the web does not mean that it is impossible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;1. When you say you â€œadsâ€¦[are] the main source of your income,â€ how much income are we talking about? It could be 85% of anything.&#8221;</p>
<p>I still think it is rude to ask people how much they make. I was always taught that you don&#8217;t ask people how much they make. </p>
<p>&#8220;a. I know the ad rates. No cartoon could possibly generate the unique visitor numbers to generate a full-time salary from those rates.&#8221;</p>
<p>PA pays 10 full time employees salaries + benefits like health care. I&#8217;m not going to tell you what they make but many of them support families and live in Seattle, not a cheap place to live. My personal salary is six figures if you really must know. I am officially telling you that you don&#8217;t know what the f&#8212; you&#8217;re talking about. </p>
<p>&#8220;b. I know how hard it is to sell T-shirts and how little profit they generate.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s only hard if you&#8217;re making sh&#8211; people don&#8217;t want to buy.</p>
<p>&#8220;I really donâ€™t want to start up the web vs. print thing. I just wish one webcartoonist would use specifics to talk about how it is possible to make a decent living selling ads to a comic site and associated merchandise in detail. It all sounds so Bernie Madoff to meâ€“no one addresses how terrible the rates are.&#8221;</p>
<p>PA has three major revenue streams. Ads/merch/creative services.</p>
<p>ads- These are handled in house and highly targeted.<br />
merch- We have an online store and visit a handful of cons a year. We sell shirts,posters and printed collections of the comic.</p>
<p>creative services- We create custom comics for publishers based on their games. These are often used as pre-order bonuses or placed online to generate interest before the game ships. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not kidding when I say that you have no idea what you&#8217;re talking about. Just because you do not have a property that will succeed on the web or you do not understand the various ways of making money on the web does not mean that it is impossible.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Nocera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Nocera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan makes some excellent points about pricing. You really have to know your client and the kind of work you&#039;re doing. Not only can price be influenced by how big your client may be, it can also be influenced by whether you think you can resell the same cartoon again. I&#039;ve sold cartoons for lower prices than usual because I knew (from knowing the type of niche market the cartoons was suited for and type of clients out there) that I could resell the same cartoon again and again and get payment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan makes some excellent points about pricing. You really have to know your client and the kind of work you&#8217;re doing. Not only can price be influenced by how big your client may be, it can also be influenced by whether you think you can resell the same cartoon again. I&#8217;ve sold cartoons for lower prices than usual because I knew (from knowing the type of niche market the cartoons was suited for and type of clients out there) that I could resell the same cartoon again and again and get payment.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Piro</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2009/06/18/are-your-cartoons-being-used-without-permission/#comment-84041</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Piro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure if my readers would agree to pay more to read my comics just because of some collective bargaining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure if my readers would agree to pay more to read my comics just because of some collective bargaining.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Rosandich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Rosandich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can understand where Joe is coming from. But the pricing of cartoons varies from artist to artist. The requested uses are so varied. I&#039;m not talking about licensing something from the standpoint of applying an image in a PowerPoint presentation....which usually hovers around $25 to $35 (at least the way I&#039;ve negotiated), or using one in a company newsletter where I normally ask $50 for 1X non-exclusive usage rights if it&#039;s in a company newsletter - but recently, the owner of a law firm requested my price to &quot;license&quot; an existing cartoon in his company e-newsletter and I quoted him $100 for the image and he requested 30 cartoons total. The key word is &quot;varies&quot; and when you quote a usage fee, you need to keep your mind open to who is using the cartoon(s) and in what ways. I was thinking this firm would ask me to quote a &quot;multiple image discount&quot;, and I forgot to take that part of it into consideration. When I look back, I figure if law firms charge $150 (or more) per hour to represent a client, they surely don&#039;t offer you a &quot;multiple hour discount&quot;. Think in logical terms when you&#039;re approached about your work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can understand where Joe is coming from. But the pricing of cartoons varies from artist to artist. The requested uses are so varied. I&#8217;m not talking about licensing something from the standpoint of applying an image in a PowerPoint presentation&#8230;.which usually hovers around $25 to $35 (at least the way I&#8217;ve negotiated), or using one in a company newsletter where I normally ask $50 for 1X non-exclusive usage rights if it&#8217;s in a company newsletter &#8211; but recently, the owner of a law firm requested my price to &#8220;license&#8221; an existing cartoon in his company e-newsletter and I quoted him $100 for the image and he requested 30 cartoons total. The key word is &#8220;varies&#8221; and when you quote a usage fee, you need to keep your mind open to who is using the cartoon(s) and in what ways. I was thinking this firm would ask me to quote a &#8220;multiple image discount&#8221;, and I forgot to take that part of it into consideration. When I look back, I figure if law firms charge $150 (or more) per hour to represent a client, they surely don&#8217;t offer you a &#8220;multiple hour discount&#8221;. Think in logical terms when you&#8217;re approached about your work.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Rank</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2009/06/18/are-your-cartoons-being-used-without-permission/#comment-84036</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Rank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But since weâ€™re all in this mess together, we might as well try to help each other out the best we can.&quot; - Tony Piro

That&#039;s why there is the term &quot;collective bargaining&quot;. 
Those working and published could do all of us a favor and be more transparent in what they get compensated for, broadly, on a per item basis. They don&#039;t have to open their tax records or their total earnings; but they could provide a template for the rest of the industry to follow. Instead, most act like secluded monks cloistered in towers with their illustrated manuscripts.

The analogy with musicians is telling. Not getting paid for product ( by the ability to steal it for free ) now effects live performance. Soon, we will see nothing but karaoke cartoonists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But since weâ€™re all in this mess together, we might as well try to help each other out the best we can.&#8221; &#8211; Tony Piro</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why there is the term &#8220;collective bargaining&#8221;.<br />
Those working and published could do all of us a favor and be more transparent in what they get compensated for, broadly, on a per item basis. They don&#8217;t have to open their tax records or their total earnings; but they could provide a template for the rest of the industry to follow. Instead, most act like secluded monks cloistered in towers with their illustrated manuscripts.</p>
<p>The analogy with musicians is telling. Not getting paid for product ( by the ability to steal it for free ) now effects live performance. Soon, we will see nothing but karaoke cartoonists.</p>
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		<title>By: Wiley Miller</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2009/06/18/are-your-cartoons-being-used-without-permission/#comment-84034</link>
		<dc:creator>Wiley Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What would be cool is if someone could create a program that would make the culprit&#039;s computer explode if the downloaded your work without authorization. Hey, I can dream, can&#039;t I?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would be cool is if someone could create a program that would make the culprit&#8217;s computer explode if the downloaded your work without authorization. Hey, I can dream, can&#8217;t I?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Rosandich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Rosandich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an ongoing issue as long as artists present their work online.
If you offer your work for licensing, a preventative measure, as many already know, is to display low resolution images and embed them with digital watermarks to deter unauthorized usage. However I would suggest taking an additional step, and seek out and partner with a reputable digital legal firm with whom you can promote an alliance with and who will agree to represent you in the event you become involved in any type of copyright infringement. It&#039;s a catch 22 situation as long as there will be images and this thing called the internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an ongoing issue as long as artists present their work online.<br />
If you offer your work for licensing, a preventative measure, as many already know, is to display low resolution images and embed them with digital watermarks to deter unauthorized usage. However I would suggest taking an additional step, and seek out and partner with a reputable digital legal firm with whom you can promote an alliance with and who will agree to represent you in the event you become involved in any type of copyright infringement. It&#8217;s a catch 22 situation as long as there will be images and this thing called the internet.</p>
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		<title>By: Wiley Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wiley Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Lastly, if you want to distribute your content for free, go ahead, no oneâ€™s stopping you. But donâ€™t tell me that I should or just sit by and watch while others take my work from me.&quot;

See? Now why is this such a difficult concept to grasp? Thanks, Jason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Lastly, if you want to distribute your content for free, go ahead, no oneâ€™s stopping you. But donâ€™t tell me that I should or just sit by and watch while others take my work from me.&#8221;</p>
<p>See? Now why is this such a difficult concept to grasp? Thanks, Jason.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Nocera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Nocera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Several points.

First off, the RIAA sued for $208 per track. She refused. The first trial of her peers decided $9,000 per track. This new trial $80,000. This was decided by a jury not RIAA.

Secondly, yes, I think such a crazy news story does help deter downloading. It gets the story in the news and probably makes some people think twice about downloading when their neighbors are being caught and sued.

Thirdly, this isn&#039;t about downloading one song or stealing one CD. This is file-sharing. She was sharing songs with others so others wouldn&#039;t buy the CDs. So be sure to include that in your analogies.

Fourthly, just because the individual artists aren&#039;t being paid well by the record labels doesn&#039;t make stealing the answer. The problem lies when the artist negotiated the contract. That&#039;s the artist&#039;s fault not the record company.

Lastly, if you want to distribute your content for free, go ahead, no one&#039;s stopping you. But don&#039;t tell me that I should or just sit by and watch while others take my work from me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several points.</p>
<p>First off, the RIAA sued for $208 per track. She refused. The first trial of her peers decided $9,000 per track. This new trial $80,000. This was decided by a jury not RIAA.</p>
<p>Secondly, yes, I think such a crazy news story does help deter downloading. It gets the story in the news and probably makes some people think twice about downloading when their neighbors are being caught and sued.</p>
<p>Thirdly, this isn&#8217;t about downloading one song or stealing one CD. This is file-sharing. She was sharing songs with others so others wouldn&#8217;t buy the CDs. So be sure to include that in your analogies.</p>
<p>Fourthly, just because the individual artists aren&#8217;t being paid well by the record labels doesn&#8217;t make stealing the answer. The problem lies when the artist negotiated the contract. That&#8217;s the artist&#8217;s fault not the record company.</p>
<p>Lastly, if you want to distribute your content for free, go ahead, no one&#8217;s stopping you. But don&#8217;t tell me that I should or just sit by and watch while others take my work from me.</p>
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