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	<title>Comments on: ADF takes issue with Sunday&#8217;s Doonesbury</title>
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		<title>By: Mark McComas</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2009/06/02/adf-takes-issue-with-sundays-doonesbury/#comment-83652</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark McComas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 22:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wiley, I just want to say that I enjoy your strip even when I don&#039;t agree with it. I can&#039;t always sat that about Doonsbury. You don&#039;t come off smug, and he does. He never really skewers the left like he does the right, and you do. You really just take on absurdity as you see it where you see it. God Bless American free speech! I&#039;d be in jail or creatively gagged and bound without it! I read your stuff in the Charleston (WV) Gazette and can often say I not only get the joke, but I also IDENTIFY with it. That&#039;s where ZITS comes in. I have a son that is not that far out of teenage-hood and he still does some of the stuff Jeremy does. I find ZITS one of the most consistently funny strips around. There&#039;s a lot of my family in it. By the way guys, though I am not published daily or even every week, I am a political cartoonist for my local paper when I have time to turn stuff out. Gotta make a living in spite of dreams, so I have run a sign shop for 25 years and graduated from the Art Institute of Pittsburgh in 1976. Maybe to you fellows I am only a dilletant, a dabbler. But if fate had been different . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wiley, I just want to say that I enjoy your strip even when I don&#8217;t agree with it. I can&#8217;t always sat that about Doonsbury. You don&#8217;t come off smug, and he does. He never really skewers the left like he does the right, and you do. You really just take on absurdity as you see it where you see it. God Bless American free speech! I&#8217;d be in jail or creatively gagged and bound without it! I read your stuff in the Charleston (WV) Gazette and can often say I not only get the joke, but I also IDENTIFY with it. That&#8217;s where ZITS comes in. I have a son that is not that far out of teenage-hood and he still does some of the stuff Jeremy does. I find ZITS one of the most consistently funny strips around. There&#8217;s a lot of my family in it. By the way guys, though I am not published daily or even every week, I am a political cartoonist for my local paper when I have time to turn stuff out. Gotta make a living in spite of dreams, so I have run a sign shop for 25 years and graduated from the Art Institute of Pittsburgh in 1976. Maybe to you fellows I am only a dilletant, a dabbler. But if fate had been different . . .</p>
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		<title>By: RS Davis</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2009/06/02/adf-takes-issue-with-sundays-doonesbury/#comment-83475</link>
		<dc:creator>RS Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 18:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Wiley,
My wife has been saying that since they showed me how to make a &#039;whiskey watermelon&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Wiley,<br />
My wife has been saying that since they showed me how to make a &#8216;whiskey watermelon&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Wiley Miller</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2009/06/02/adf-takes-issue-with-sundays-doonesbury/#comment-83464</link>
		<dc:creator>Wiley Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But I also have friends who tell me â€˜Montyâ€™ by Jim Meddick is a horrible strip, &quot;

I suggest you get new friends!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But I also have friends who tell me â€˜Montyâ€™ by Jim Meddick is a horrible strip, &#8221;</p>
<p>I suggest you get new friends!</p>
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		<title>By: RS Davis</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2009/06/02/adf-takes-issue-with-sundays-doonesbury/#comment-83461</link>
		<dc:creator>RS Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wiley, that was just hyperbole.

I was also actually going to write &quot;..and I don&#039;t put Mallard Fillmore on my preferred reading list just because he IS a fascist, either.&quot;  But I wasn&#039;t sure if anyone really knew to what degree I am a right wing troll.

And you are correct about subjectiveness.  I can&#039;t for the life of me understand why &#039;Zits&#039; is so popular; the main character Jeremey just annoys the living heck out me. But I recognize it is popular, so fair enough.  

But I also have friends who tell me &#039;Monty&#039; by  Jim Meddick is a horrible strip, but I find it one of the funniest ones around...go figure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wiley, that was just hyperbole.</p>
<p>I was also actually going to write &#8220;..and I don&#8217;t put Mallard Fillmore on my preferred reading list just because he IS a fascist, either.&#8221;  But I wasn&#8217;t sure if anyone really knew to what degree I am a right wing troll.</p>
<p>And you are correct about subjectiveness.  I can&#8217;t for the life of me understand why &#8216;Zits&#8217; is so popular; the main character Jeremey just annoys the living heck out me. But I recognize it is popular, so fair enough.  </p>
<p>But I also have friends who tell me &#8216;Monty&#8217; by  Jim Meddick is a horrible strip, but I find it one of the funniest ones around&#8230;go figure.</p>
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		<title>By: Wiley Miller</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2009/06/02/adf-takes-issue-with-sundays-doonesbury/#comment-83455</link>
		<dc:creator>Wiley Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Doonesbury isnâ€™t on my â€˜ignore listâ€™ because heâ€™s a commie. &quot;

I wonder if you can produce even one example of Trudeau&#039;s work that would lead one to the conclusion that he&#039;s a communist. 

As for humor, it&#039;s subjective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Doonesbury isnâ€™t on my â€˜ignore listâ€™ because heâ€™s a commie. &#8221;</p>
<p>I wonder if you can produce even one example of Trudeau&#8217;s work that would lead one to the conclusion that he&#8217;s a communist. </p>
<p>As for humor, it&#8217;s subjective.</p>
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		<title>By: RS Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>RS Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 03:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,
I hate to have to agree, but I do.  I loved Peanuts for a long time, but the best strips do get stale sometimes.  As much as I rant about how great Bloom County was, Outland and Opus were just shells of the former strip.  

I don&#039;t expect every strip to be fantastically hilarious every time, but the truth is many are just on cruise control and floating by on past momentum.  I think people cling to strips sometimes because they WANT them to be good or they are just familiar.

Doonesbury isn&#039;t on my &#039;ignore list&#039; because he&#039;s a commie.  He just ain&#039;t funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,<br />
I hate to have to agree, but I do.  I loved Peanuts for a long time, but the best strips do get stale sometimes.  As much as I rant about how great Bloom County was, Outland and Opus were just shells of the former strip.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t expect every strip to be fantastically hilarious every time, but the truth is many are just on cruise control and floating by on past momentum.  I think people cling to strips sometimes because they WANT them to be good or they are just familiar.</p>
<p>Doonesbury isn&#8217;t on my &#8216;ignore list&#8217; because he&#8217;s a commie.  He just ain&#8217;t funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark McComas</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2009/06/02/adf-takes-issue-with-sundays-doonesbury/#comment-83448</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark McComas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 03:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, he&#039;s got one heck of an inker--and his lettering is computer generated. And like Davis says, HE AIN&#039;T FUNNY! Let me say it--Shultz, God rest his soul, wasn&#039;t funny near the end, either. His strip jumped the shark at least ten years before he died.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, he&#8217;s got one heck of an inker&#8211;and his lettering is computer generated. And like Davis says, HE AIN&#8217;T FUNNY! Let me say it&#8211;Shultz, God rest his soul, wasn&#8217;t funny near the end, either. His strip jumped the shark at least ten years before he died.</p>
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		<title>By: RS Davis</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2009/06/02/adf-takes-issue-with-sundays-doonesbury/#comment-83345</link>
		<dc:creator>RS Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 07:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;RS Davis may not like Trudeauâ€™s politics, but he should at least recognize superior cartooning.&quot;

Terry, read what I said again.
All I said was that despite the differences in style or skill, the ultimate end of both Mallard Fillmore and Doonesbury is they both leave me flat.  They just ain&#039;t funny.

I think sometimes the fact gets lost in the shuffle that ultimately comic strips are a business.  They are there to help sell papers and the more readers a strip has, the better business it helps create.  Artists sometimes seem to forget that is their main responsibility - they are NOT hired to change the world or remold or reshape society to fit their world view.

And TInsley, as much as you may hate his particular point of view, is only doing what Trudeau had been doing for decades before - preaching to his like minded, vicious little minions the same political scat over and over, belaboring the same tired extreme partisian claptrap Ad infinitum.  He may draw a bit better than Tinsley, but as political hack go he&#039;s as average and boring as the next doofus.

In the end, all that counts is how many eyes are willing to spend 30 - 60 seconds on a strip.  And for me, Doonesbury and Mallard Fillmore simply aren&#039;t worth the time.

And before you so high handedly inform me what it is that I must recognize, I&#039;d like to respecfully ask you to recognize a truty, and that is that Dilbert, Pearls Before Swine, Get Fuzzy, Pooch Cafe, Lio and several others get a lot of eyes reading them every day simply because they make people laugh.

And in the end, that is all that really counts for a *comic* strip, isn&#039;t it?  I&#039;d argue that no matter how technically skillful a strip may be, the definition of a &#039;superior&#039; strip is one that consistantly attracts readers with effective humor.  USing that standard, I can think of about 20 strips that leave Trudeau in the dust.

I, like most readers, vote with my eyes when I read comic strips and just I don&#039;t read Doonesbury or Mallard Filllmore anymore because they can&#039;t regularly do what those other strips do, and that is make me laugh. 

So I will admit that yes, there is &#039;superior&#039; cartooing out there in the form of strips that are actually funny; and they do what they do very well and I look forward to reading those &#039;superior&#039; strips every day.

And Doonesbury certainly isn&#039;t one of them.



Oh, and Jesus didn&#039;t engage in any political protest of any kind during his ministry - I think it is clear His goals were set a heck of alot higher than engaging in the protest of local politics.  Jesus knowingly and willingly came to Earth to be gruesomely murdered on behalf of all of us in order to be the &#039;stand in&#039; punishment for our sins before a just God, paying for our disobedience.  

His purpose was of the highest motivation - unconditional, self sacrificing love.  I think He cared as little about politics then as He would care now about health care reform - this world and life is temporary, as are the politics and issues of the day. 

What Jesus was preaching and delivering was an eternal message - I don&#039;t think the issue of Jewish leadership fraternizing with a Roman govermental entity rises to that same level of priority, IMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;RS Davis may not like Trudeauâ€™s politics, but he should at least recognize superior cartooning.&#8221;</p>
<p>Terry, read what I said again.<br />
All I said was that despite the differences in style or skill, the ultimate end of both Mallard Fillmore and Doonesbury is they both leave me flat.  They just ain&#8217;t funny.</p>
<p>I think sometimes the fact gets lost in the shuffle that ultimately comic strips are a business.  They are there to help sell papers and the more readers a strip has, the better business it helps create.  Artists sometimes seem to forget that is their main responsibility &#8211; they are NOT hired to change the world or remold or reshape society to fit their world view.</p>
<p>And TInsley, as much as you may hate his particular point of view, is only doing what Trudeau had been doing for decades before &#8211; preaching to his like minded, vicious little minions the same political scat over and over, belaboring the same tired extreme partisian claptrap Ad infinitum.  He may draw a bit better than Tinsley, but as political hack go he&#8217;s as average and boring as the next doofus.</p>
<p>In the end, all that counts is how many eyes are willing to spend 30 &#8211; 60 seconds on a strip.  And for me, Doonesbury and Mallard Fillmore simply aren&#8217;t worth the time.</p>
<p>And before you so high handedly inform me what it is that I must recognize, I&#8217;d like to respecfully ask you to recognize a truty, and that is that Dilbert, Pearls Before Swine, Get Fuzzy, Pooch Cafe, Lio and several others get a lot of eyes reading them every day simply because they make people laugh.</p>
<p>And in the end, that is all that really counts for a *comic* strip, isn&#8217;t it?  I&#8217;d argue that no matter how technically skillful a strip may be, the definition of a &#8216;superior&#8217; strip is one that consistantly attracts readers with effective humor.  USing that standard, I can think of about 20 strips that leave Trudeau in the dust.</p>
<p>I, like most readers, vote with my eyes when I read comic strips and just I don&#8217;t read Doonesbury or Mallard Filllmore anymore because they can&#8217;t regularly do what those other strips do, and that is make me laugh. </p>
<p>So I will admit that yes, there is &#8216;superior&#8217; cartooing out there in the form of strips that are actually funny; and they do what they do very well and I look forward to reading those &#8216;superior&#8217; strips every day.</p>
<p>And Doonesbury certainly isn&#8217;t one of them.</p>
<p>Oh, and Jesus didn&#8217;t engage in any political protest of any kind during his ministry &#8211; I think it is clear His goals were set a heck of alot higher than engaging in the protest of local politics.  Jesus knowingly and willingly came to Earth to be gruesomely murdered on behalf of all of us in order to be the &#8216;stand in&#8217; punishment for our sins before a just God, paying for our disobedience.  </p>
<p>His purpose was of the highest motivation &#8211; unconditional, self sacrificing love.  I think He cared as little about politics then as He would care now about health care reform &#8211; this world and life is temporary, as are the politics and issues of the day. </p>
<p>What Jesus was preaching and delivering was an eternal message &#8211; I don&#8217;t think the issue of Jewish leadership fraternizing with a Roman govermental entity rises to that same level of priority, IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Brubaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Brubaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 03:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, re: Doonesbury

Yep, talk about ignorance. Trudeau STILL draws his strip, in that he does a very tight pencil work. He only has one assistant, an inker that traces over it.

Just because someone else inks the strip doesn&#039;t mean that they do the drawing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, re: Doonesbury</p>
<p>Yep, talk about ignorance. Trudeau STILL draws his strip, in that he does a very tight pencil work. He only has one assistant, an inker that traces over it.</p>
<p>Just because someone else inks the strip doesn&#8217;t mean that they do the drawing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark McComas</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2009/06/02/adf-takes-issue-with-sundays-doonesbury/#comment-83340</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark McComas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 01:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, I have seen Trudeau&#039;s early stuff. He hasn&#039;t drawn his own strip in decades. Neither has Jim Davis with Garfield. Al Capp didn&#039;t draw Li&#039;l Abner, Either. They are and were all industries within themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, I have seen Trudeau&#8217;s early stuff. He hasn&#8217;t drawn his own strip in decades. Neither has Jim Davis with Garfield. Al Capp didn&#8217;t draw Li&#8217;l Abner, Either. They are and were all industries within themselves.</p>
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