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	<title>Comments on: Gary Brookins laid off from Times-Dispatch</title>
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		<title>By: Alan Gardner</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2009/04/03/gary-brookins-laid-off-from-times-dispatch/#comment-81332</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 16:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We all have opinions on whether it was right or wrong to &quot;ban&quot; Scott, but I don&#039;t want this to become a dumping ground of hostility for the guy. As I&#039;ve said to a couple of readers via email, I have no hard feelings over the matter and agree with Scott on most issues regarding the viability of webcomics, just not how he was going about evangelizing it here on the blog. 

If you disagree with my actions, please feel free to email me (&lt;a href=&quot;mailto:editor@dailycartoonist.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;editor@dailycartoonist.com&lt;/a&gt;). 

Otherwise, let&#039;s move on to other topics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all have opinions on whether it was right or wrong to &#8220;ban&#8221; Scott, but I don&#8217;t want this to become a dumping ground of hostility for the guy. As I&#8217;ve said to a couple of readers via email, I have no hard feelings over the matter and agree with Scott on most issues regarding the viability of webcomics, just not how he was going about evangelizing it here on the blog. </p>
<p>If you disagree with my actions, please feel free to email me (<a href="mailto:editor@dailycartoonist.com" rel="nofollow">editor@dailycartoonist.com</a>). </p>
<p>Otherwise, let&#8217;s move on to other topics.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry Gillespie</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2009/04/03/gary-brookins-laid-off-from-times-dispatch/#comment-81330</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry Gillespie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 15:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kurtz is cartooning&#039;s chihuahua who wants to run with the big dogs but can&#039;t, so he bites at their heals and yaps.  To his credit, he&#039;s been able to become the leader of his own pack, which is a great accomplishment.  Too bad it&#039;s not enough for him. It&#039;s really sort of sad when you think about it. But I don&#039;t fault Alan for booting him outside. There&#039;s only so much you can take.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kurtz is cartooning&#8217;s chihuahua who wants to run with the big dogs but can&#8217;t, so he bites at their heals and yaps.  To his credit, he&#8217;s been able to become the leader of his own pack, which is a great accomplishment.  Too bad it&#8217;s not enough for him. It&#8217;s really sort of sad when you think about it. But I don&#8217;t fault Alan for booting him outside. There&#8217;s only so much you can take.</p>
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		<title>By: guy endore-kaiser</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2009/04/03/gary-brookins-laid-off-from-times-dispatch/#comment-81328</link>
		<dc:creator>guy endore-kaiser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 02:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, but how do you feel about the helicopter attack sequence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but how do you feel about the helicopter attack sequence?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Bradford</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2009/04/03/gary-brookins-laid-off-from-times-dispatch/#comment-81327</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Bradford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 01:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mister Kurtz,
              Your sniping  at my profession on the previous AAEC convention thread brought you onto my radar for the first time. The only Kurtz Iâ€™ve ever been acquainted with was the obese fictional Colonel  portrayed by Marlon Brando in Appocalypse Now. ( I love the helicopter attack sequence)  I clicked  your url and soon realized that you would have no web presence at all were it not for the crutches of photoshop, clip art, and a bloated ego.  I dismissed your anti-editorial  rants as the wails of a no talent wannabeâ€™ print cartoonist  with  self esteem issues.  In any case,  Alan Gardner closed comments before I could  join the fray. The matter would have remained  closed  had you not once again exploded like a poisonous toad on the thread dealing with Gary Brookins lay off from the Times-Dispatch.  Brookins is a talented class act in a league that you are unlikely to ever achieve access.  This so called war between web and print cartoonists is a phony one contrived by you, Scotty.  I do not begrudge your success, ( if indeed that is the case) but your vitriol is tiresome, annoying and counterproductive. I wish  the best for all cartoonists regardless of medium, and it would be best that you did the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mister Kurtz,<br />
              Your sniping  at my profession on the previous AAEC convention thread brought you onto my radar for the first time. The only Kurtz Iâ€™ve ever been acquainted with was the obese fictional Colonel  portrayed by Marlon Brando in Appocalypse Now. ( I love the helicopter attack sequence)  I clicked  your url and soon realized that you would have no web presence at all were it not for the crutches of photoshop, clip art, and a bloated ego.  I dismissed your anti-editorial  rants as the wails of a no talent wannabeâ€™ print cartoonist  with  self esteem issues.  In any case,  Alan Gardner closed comments before I could  join the fray. The matter would have remained  closed  had you not once again exploded like a poisonous toad on the thread dealing with Gary Brookins lay off from the Times-Dispatch.  Brookins is a talented class act in a league that you are unlikely to ever achieve access.  This so called war between web and print cartoonists is a phony one contrived by you, Scotty.  I do not begrudge your success, ( if indeed that is the case) but your vitriol is tiresome, annoying and counterproductive. I wish  the best for all cartoonists regardless of medium, and it would be best that you did the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Beckom</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2009/04/03/gary-brookins-laid-off-from-times-dispatch/#comment-81326</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Beckom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 23:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my comment is to neither side but to the folks who said that the original cartoon liked enough &#039;bite&#039;.  How many of YOU have ever tried to push an editorial cartoon past an editor?  I have 30+ here in SC and each and every one is unique in what they will or will not &#039;tolerate&#039; and/or publish in their papers.  Some like and encourage me to push the envelope.  Others are total opposites in that they neither want nor will accept my alienating subscribers by means of an inflammatory toon.  It&#039;s a fine line we all walk in the name of doing business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my comment is to neither side but to the folks who said that the original cartoon liked enough &#8216;bite&#8217;.  How many of YOU have ever tried to push an editorial cartoon past an editor?  I have 30+ here in SC and each and every one is unique in what they will or will not &#8216;tolerate&#8217; and/or publish in their papers.  Some like and encourage me to push the envelope.  Others are total opposites in that they neither want nor will accept my alienating subscribers by means of an inflammatory toon.  It&#8217;s a fine line we all walk in the name of doing business.</p>
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		<title>By: Wiley Miller</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2009/04/03/gary-brookins-laid-off-from-times-dispatch/#comment-81324</link>
		<dc:creator>Wiley Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 20:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ted said:
&quot;However, I think Alan overreacted by banning Scott. He stimulates discussion and expresses thoughts that, while I and many others may disagree with them, are shared by enough people to be worth addressing. &quot;

Actually, you made a concise argument to support Alan&#039;s decision when you led off your post with this, Ted:

&quot;Scott Kurtz willfully misconstrues what Iâ€™ve said...&quot;

The point is, this is what he does with everyone regarding this one myopic issue. No matter what you say, he (and his devotees) always twist it, turn it upside down, and outright fabricate statements in order to make themselves out to be the victim and engage in endless flame wars. It&#039;s juvenile, tedious and serves absolute no purpose in nice discussion provided here. It&#039;s not a matter of simply disagreeing. Intelligent adults can engage in discussions and disagree without being disagreeable. Polite discourse is clearly of no interest to Mr. Kurtz, which is why he was rightfully banned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted said:<br />
&#8220;However, I think Alan overreacted by banning Scott. He stimulates discussion and expresses thoughts that, while I and many others may disagree with them, are shared by enough people to be worth addressing. &#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, you made a concise argument to support Alan&#8217;s decision when you led off your post with this, Ted:</p>
<p>&#8220;Scott Kurtz willfully misconstrues what Iâ€™ve said&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>The point is, this is what he does with everyone regarding this one myopic issue. No matter what you say, he (and his devotees) always twist it, turn it upside down, and outright fabricate statements in order to make themselves out to be the victim and engage in endless flame wars. It&#8217;s juvenile, tedious and serves absolute no purpose in nice discussion provided here. It&#8217;s not a matter of simply disagreeing. Intelligent adults can engage in discussions and disagree without being disagreeable. Polite discourse is clearly of no interest to Mr. Kurtz, which is why he was rightfully banned.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Peterson</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2009/04/03/gary-brookins-laid-off-from-times-dispatch/#comment-81320</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 09:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only reason I&#039;m still reading this thread is to see what Lamb Chop and Charley Horse have to say.

But maybe there&#039;s no need: The rest of the sock puppets seem to be unanimous ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only reason I&#8217;m still reading this thread is to see what Lamb Chop and Charley Horse have to say.</p>
<p>But maybe there&#8217;s no need: The rest of the sock puppets seem to be unanimous &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Abell Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abell Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 06:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The 2009 World Series Champs will be the New York Yankees.&quot;


oh, no.... no no no no no no no... now I&#039;m really mad...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The 2009 World Series Champs will be the New York Yankees.&#8221;</p>
<p>oh, no&#8230;. no no no no no no no&#8230; now I&#8217;m really mad&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Caponi</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2009/04/03/gary-brookins-laid-off-from-times-dispatch/#comment-81318</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Caponi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 05:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s the point of mentioning that one day he&#039;ll run out of strips? Does it invalidate anything he&#039;s said? Who&#039;s to say he won&#039;t be retired by then, or working in a different profession?

I disagree with your assessment of Scott&#039;s contributions to the discussions. He is certainly more abrasive than necessary. I think the conversations he starts are very interesting, however. Still, it is Alan&#039;s site and his rules for comments are very clear. Within the guidelines he has set, he was correct to ban Scott.

&quot;Alan, I think you just have to accept the rough and tumble nature of online forums.&quot;

No he doesn&#039;t. He doesn&#039;t have to accept anything. It&#039;s his website. He doesn&#039;t have to allow comments on his posts if he doesn&#039;t want to. I wish he would loosen his hold a little but it is certainly his call and no one else&#039;s if he wants to clean things up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the point of mentioning that one day he&#8217;ll run out of strips? Does it invalidate anything he&#8217;s said? Who&#8217;s to say he won&#8217;t be retired by then, or working in a different profession?</p>
<p>I disagree with your assessment of Scott&#8217;s contributions to the discussions. He is certainly more abrasive than necessary. I think the conversations he starts are very interesting, however. Still, it is Alan&#8217;s site and his rules for comments are very clear. Within the guidelines he has set, he was correct to ban Scott.</p>
<p>&#8220;Alan, I think you just have to accept the rough and tumble nature of online forums.&#8221;</p>
<p>No he doesn&#8217;t. He doesn&#8217;t have to accept anything. It&#8217;s his website. He doesn&#8217;t have to allow comments on his posts if he doesn&#8217;t want to. I wish he would loosen his hold a little but it is certainly his call and no one else&#8217;s if he wants to clean things up.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Tatulli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Tatulli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 04:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan did the right thing.  Scott constantly plays the same game.  I&#039;ve seen it for over five years now.  He comes onto these boards, makes outlandish claims, pounds his chest, says a few &quot;ungallant&quot; things, then slinks off and plays the victim; how everyone is piling on him, how we all want to see him fail.  It&#039;s the same thing everytime.

I&#039;ve spoken to Scott over the phone (albeit about 2004) and he is really nothing like the online persona he presents.  He&#039;s actually sort of sweet and, in my estimation, rather vulnerable and weak-spritited (my opinion) and like most good cartoonists, full of self-doubt.  I remember when he was giving his strip away to newspapers for free back then, in an effort to promote his website.  He was picked up by the Kansas City Star and the Bulletin in Philadelphia.  I don&#039;t know how many other papers took his offer, but those are the ones I remember.  At the time, I told him what he was doing was a mistake, that is devalued PRINT comics to offer them to NEWSPAPERS for free and ultimately, in my opinion,  it would fail.  I think that was what most of us &quot;print guys&quot; were saying at the time, but he ignored us and moved forward and that is totally his own decision and I support that.  He was trying something new and far be it from me to stand in the way, no matter how much I disagreed.  In fact, I did pick up a few copies of the Philadelphia Bulletin and snail-mailed them to him so he could see what his strip looked like in print (and it looked GREAT; took reduction very well).  Unfortunately, the Bulletin printed his strip without the website info at the bottom, the whole point of his experiment...they just chose to chop it off.  Newspapers tend to do what they want and they are especially wary of cartoonist&#039;s advertising themselves, which probably accounts for the omission.  They probably thought Scott would never know.  I brought this to Scott&#039;s attention and he was very appreciative.  Hardly what I would call a &quot;print cartoonist&quot; looking for a &quot;webbie&quot; to fail.  I did what I could and he continued on his course.

Ultimately Scott&#039;s venture failed and went quietly into the night, but you didn&#039;t hear us print guys screaming, &quot;see, we told you so!&quot;  We just let it go, so I&#039;m sort of surprised to see Scott&#039;s current comments, picking up right where he left off, spouting and sputtering about,&quot;you will rue the day you dissed us&quot; and &quot;you are dead and I am alive and vital!&quot;  It&#039;s all BS.  And I&#039;ve come to the conclusion, given our personal history, that he is without merit.  He may do a decent comic strip that reaches a sizable crew that supports his efforts, but he has to hold onto them in the same way print guys do.  He has to keep his audience engaged and someday what he does will grow old and his audience will grow thin and tired.  It happens to all of us.  It is inevitable.  And he must adapt, as will all must, to whatever changes occur in technology or social commentary.
Again, Alan was correct, I am convinced that Scott brings nothing to the table but vitriol and anger.  And that is not helpful.

Well played, Alan.  Well played.  Stick to your guns and take the heat.  Scott will send his minions to disavow you and make him out to be the victim in a print-guy conspiracy, but you are right to ban him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan did the right thing.  Scott constantly plays the same game.  I&#8217;ve seen it for over five years now.  He comes onto these boards, makes outlandish claims, pounds his chest, says a few &#8220;ungallant&#8221; things, then slinks off and plays the victim; how everyone is piling on him, how we all want to see him fail.  It&#8217;s the same thing everytime.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve spoken to Scott over the phone (albeit about 2004) and he is really nothing like the online persona he presents.  He&#8217;s actually sort of sweet and, in my estimation, rather vulnerable and weak-spritited (my opinion) and like most good cartoonists, full of self-doubt.  I remember when he was giving his strip away to newspapers for free back then, in an effort to promote his website.  He was picked up by the Kansas City Star and the Bulletin in Philadelphia.  I don&#8217;t know how many other papers took his offer, but those are the ones I remember.  At the time, I told him what he was doing was a mistake, that is devalued PRINT comics to offer them to NEWSPAPERS for free and ultimately, in my opinion,  it would fail.  I think that was what most of us &#8220;print guys&#8221; were saying at the time, but he ignored us and moved forward and that is totally his own decision and I support that.  He was trying something new and far be it from me to stand in the way, no matter how much I disagreed.  In fact, I did pick up a few copies of the Philadelphia Bulletin and snail-mailed them to him so he could see what his strip looked like in print (and it looked GREAT; took reduction very well).  Unfortunately, the Bulletin printed his strip without the website info at the bottom, the whole point of his experiment&#8230;they just chose to chop it off.  Newspapers tend to do what they want and they are especially wary of cartoonist&#8217;s advertising themselves, which probably accounts for the omission.  They probably thought Scott would never know.  I brought this to Scott&#8217;s attention and he was very appreciative.  Hardly what I would call a &#8220;print cartoonist&#8221; looking for a &#8220;webbie&#8221; to fail.  I did what I could and he continued on his course.</p>
<p>Ultimately Scott&#8217;s venture failed and went quietly into the night, but you didn&#8217;t hear us print guys screaming, &#8220;see, we told you so!&#8221;  We just let it go, so I&#8217;m sort of surprised to see Scott&#8217;s current comments, picking up right where he left off, spouting and sputtering about,&#8221;you will rue the day you dissed us&#8221; and &#8220;you are dead and I am alive and vital!&#8221;  It&#8217;s all BS.  And I&#8217;ve come to the conclusion, given our personal history, that he is without merit.  He may do a decent comic strip that reaches a sizable crew that supports his efforts, but he has to hold onto them in the same way print guys do.  He has to keep his audience engaged and someday what he does will grow old and his audience will grow thin and tired.  It happens to all of us.  It is inevitable.  And he must adapt, as will all must, to whatever changes occur in technology or social commentary.<br />
Again, Alan was correct, I am convinced that Scott brings nothing to the table but vitriol and anger.  And that is not helpful.</p>
<p>Well played, Alan.  Well played.  Stick to your guns and take the heat.  Scott will send his minions to disavow you and make him out to be the victim in a print-guy conspiracy, but you are right to ban him.</p>
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