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		<title>By: Wiley Miller</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2009/02/24/brian-duffy-fighting-for-cartoon-rights/#comment-80354</link>
		<dc:creator>Wiley Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 19:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; I just took them home and I let them see me do it.&quot;

Well, that sure sounds like a resolution to me, Eric!
You took possession, the say you take possession and did nothing to prevent you from taking possession, so that sounds like they gave tacit approval.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; I just took them home and I let them see me do it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, that sure sounds like a resolution to me, Eric!<br />
You took possession, the say you take possession and did nothing to prevent you from taking possession, so that sounds like they gave tacit approval.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Devericks</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2009/02/24/brian-duffy-fighting-for-cartoon-rights/#comment-80352</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Devericks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 17:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got into this argument at the Seattle Times.  They told me they owned the originals I told them they did not.  No resolution was reached.  I just took them home and I let them see me do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got into this argument at the Seattle Times.  They told me they owned the originals I told them they did not.  No resolution was reached.  I just took them home and I let them see me do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Peterson</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2009/02/24/brian-duffy-fighting-for-cartoon-rights/#comment-80060</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IANAL, but I have worked both freelance and on staff. As far as I know, &quot;work for hire&quot; specifically covers a situation where a person is hired to create works which are then the property of the employer. An example would be columns written by a newspaper columnist -- that&#039;s what he&#039;s hired to do, just as a widget maker in a widget factory is hired to make widgets that then belong to the company.

Where it generally hits the news is when, for instance, a chemist at a drug company makes some kind of breakthrough and wants to capitalize on it personally, or when a software engineer wants to set up shop using a program he developed while working for someone else. And where it becomes more interesting is when the thing that the fellow developed was something he did in his garage and that was somewhat tangential to his actual job, but that he then let the company use in their operations and now wants to market to other companies as well, only his employer claims ownership.

When I was running educational programs for a daily paper, I began writing serialized stories because the ones we could get from other sources were pretty lame. But I did it with a clear understanding -- I retained copyright to the text, the artists I used retained rights to their illustrations and the company, in exchange for allowing use of their software and equipment, as well as covering some mailing and marketing expenses, got 50% of the gross sales to other papers. 

When our paper changed hands, I dropped a memo to my boss restating the terms of the arrangement, just to establish a paper trail. 

And when I quit, I first backed up all my stories and pics to disk and took them home, deleted the materials from the servers at work, and then told the company that I was leaving.

Trust in Allah, but tie up your camel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IANAL, but I have worked both freelance and on staff. As far as I know, &#8220;work for hire&#8221; specifically covers a situation where a person is hired to create works which are then the property of the employer. An example would be columns written by a newspaper columnist &#8212; that&#8217;s what he&#8217;s hired to do, just as a widget maker in a widget factory is hired to make widgets that then belong to the company.</p>
<p>Where it generally hits the news is when, for instance, a chemist at a drug company makes some kind of breakthrough and wants to capitalize on it personally, or when a software engineer wants to set up shop using a program he developed while working for someone else. And where it becomes more interesting is when the thing that the fellow developed was something he did in his garage and that was somewhat tangential to his actual job, but that he then let the company use in their operations and now wants to market to other companies as well, only his employer claims ownership.</p>
<p>When I was running educational programs for a daily paper, I began writing serialized stories because the ones we could get from other sources were pretty lame. But I did it with a clear understanding &#8212; I retained copyright to the text, the artists I used retained rights to their illustrations and the company, in exchange for allowing use of their software and equipment, as well as covering some mailing and marketing expenses, got 50% of the gross sales to other papers. </p>
<p>When our paper changed hands, I dropped a memo to my boss restating the terms of the arrangement, just to establish a paper trail. </p>
<p>And when I quit, I first backed up all my stories and pics to disk and took them home, deleted the materials from the servers at work, and then told the company that I was leaving.</p>
<p>Trust in Allah, but tie up your camel.</p>
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		<title>By: Wiley Miller</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2009/02/24/brian-duffy-fighting-for-cartoon-rights/#comment-80059</link>
		<dc:creator>Wiley Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Also, did Duffy ever sell or give away any of his originals? Who made those decisions, and who benefitted?&quot;

That&#039;s a very good point. If he didn&#039;t need to get permission from the paper to give or sell any of the original art, then that would a strong indication of ownership by Brian Duffy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Also, did Duffy ever sell or give away any of his originals? Who made those decisions, and who benefitted?&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a very good point. If he didn&#8217;t need to get permission from the paper to give or sell any of the original art, then that would a strong indication of ownership by Brian Duffy.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Rank</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2009/02/24/brian-duffy-fighting-for-cartoon-rights/#comment-80058</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Rank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There appears to be a conflict between the Mike Peterson report and the KCCI-TV one. 
The KCCI has it that the Register contends that as Duffy was a paid on-staff employee, all of his product was done on company time, and they own the copywright.
If the paper is maintaining a &quot;work for hire&quot; position; that is fuzzier, and would fall under contract provisions. Generally, regularly produced ( what would be individually contracted free-lance ) cartoons are not in the parameters of &quot;work for hire&quot;. ( Unless part of a larger project, such as a series of storyboards for a movie. )

It may be that the paper has tried to claim BOTH positions ( which it cannot ). They may have undercut themselves with such a move.

Milt Priggee&#039;s observation about precedence is likely to be the determinative factor. The way that the proceeds were divvied concerning the secondary publications of the previous published works should make it clear to a court just who thought what belonged to whom.

( Also, did Duffy ever sell or give away any of his originals? Who made those decisions, and who benefitted? )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There appears to be a conflict between the Mike Peterson report and the KCCI-TV one.<br />
The KCCI has it that the Register contends that as Duffy was a paid on-staff employee, all of his product was done on company time, and they own the copywright.<br />
If the paper is maintaining a &#8220;work for hire&#8221; position; that is fuzzier, and would fall under contract provisions. Generally, regularly produced ( what would be individually contracted free-lance ) cartoons are not in the parameters of &#8220;work for hire&#8221;. ( Unless part of a larger project, such as a series of storyboards for a movie. )</p>
<p>It may be that the paper has tried to claim BOTH positions ( which it cannot ). They may have undercut themselves with such a move.</p>
<p>Milt Priggee&#8217;s observation about precedence is likely to be the determinative factor. The way that the proceeds were divvied concerning the secondary publications of the previous published works should make it clear to a court just who thought what belonged to whom.</p>
<p>( Also, did Duffy ever sell or give away any of his originals? Who made those decisions, and who benefitted? )</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Fell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Fell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the former Lincoln Journal eliminated my staff position, I brought up the subject of getting my originals with management. 

The general manager, who hated my guts, responded with a &quot;generous&quot; offer that would allow me to have 12 (that&#039;s it!) of my originals and I would be allowed to make copies of the other cartoons for a fee of $1 each.

There&#039;s nothing like the kick in the gut of losing your job to be followed by the kick in the crotch over your originals.

I did subsequently find a way to get my hands on most of my stuff, which I&#039;m sure would otherwise have gone in the trash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the former Lincoln Journal eliminated my staff position, I brought up the subject of getting my originals with management. </p>
<p>The general manager, who hated my guts, responded with a &#8220;generous&#8221; offer that would allow me to have 12 (that&#8217;s it!) of my originals and I would be allowed to make copies of the other cartoons for a fee of $1 each.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing like the kick in the gut of losing your job to be followed by the kick in the crotch over your originals.</p>
<p>I did subsequently find a way to get my hands on most of my stuff, which I&#8217;m sure would otherwise have gone in the trash.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Collins</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2009/02/24/brian-duffy-fighting-for-cartoon-rights/#comment-80050</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After 30 years with Larry Flynt publications on salary, the company put us all on independent basis two years ago to save costs, however Larry gave us a new contract that gave us all co-ownership rights retroactive to everything we ever drew for him back to the start of our relationship. Now is that not a prince of a publisher who has the utmost respect for his cartoonists? Of course they&#039;re all Hustler cartoons and what can you do with those?  And they did cut our salaries some. Still it was nice to know I finally had my life&#039;s work to use how I see fit. And he is still contributing to our health insurance costs by 50%. What a guy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After 30 years with Larry Flynt publications on salary, the company put us all on independent basis two years ago to save costs, however Larry gave us a new contract that gave us all co-ownership rights retroactive to everything we ever drew for him back to the start of our relationship. Now is that not a prince of a publisher who has the utmost respect for his cartoonists? Of course they&#8217;re all Hustler cartoons and what can you do with those?  And they did cut our salaries some. Still it was nice to know I finally had my life&#8217;s work to use how I see fit. And he is still contributing to our health insurance costs by 50%. What a guy!</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Lupton</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2009/02/24/brian-duffy-fighting-for-cartoon-rights/#comment-80047</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Lupton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole idea of using a former employee&#039;s work as a tax write off is morally repugnant, but the legality seems to be relatively clear here.

The cartoons I do for my full time employer are done on company time, and as such, they own the resulting artwork. Duffy must have known that would be the stance of the paper should things go south. 

While novel and maybe even worth the Hail Mary, he&#039;ll have a very difficult time proving they terminated him with the tax write off in mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole idea of using a former employee&#8217;s work as a tax write off is morally repugnant, but the legality seems to be relatively clear here.</p>
<p>The cartoons I do for my full time employer are done on company time, and as such, they own the resulting artwork. Duffy must have known that would be the stance of the paper should things go south. </p>
<p>While novel and maybe even worth the Hail Mary, he&#8217;ll have a very difficult time proving they terminated him with the tax write off in mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Rall</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2009/02/24/brian-duffy-fighting-for-cartoon-rights/#comment-80045</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Rall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No doubt, it&#039;s important to get these things in writing. And if you don&#039;t have it in writing, he who has physical possession will be in a stronger position to negotiate in the event of a dispute--so take your artwork home with you every night.

That said, this behavior is morally dubious at best on the part of the Register. First they kicked him to the curb, then they frogmarched him out of the building and confiscated his building ID, now this?

And people wonder what happened to employee loyalty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No doubt, it&#8217;s important to get these things in writing. And if you don&#8217;t have it in writing, he who has physical possession will be in a stronger position to negotiate in the event of a dispute&#8211;so take your artwork home with you every night.</p>
<p>That said, this behavior is morally dubious at best on the part of the Register. First they kicked him to the curb, then they frogmarched him out of the building and confiscated his building ID, now this?</p>
<p>And people wonder what happened to employee loyalty.</p>
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		<title>By: Wiley Miller</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2009/02/24/brian-duffy-fighting-for-cartoon-rights/#comment-80041</link>
		<dc:creator>Wiley Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note to the few cartoonists who still have a staff job at a newspaper:

Take the originals home with you every day. Make a copy of them to keep on file at the office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note to the few cartoonists who still have a staff job at a newspaper:</p>
<p>Take the originals home with you every day. Make a copy of them to keep on file at the office.</p>
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