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		<title>By: P.S. Mueller</title>
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		<dc:creator>P.S. Mueller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 05:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a cartoon in Newsweek once and they cropped out my signature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a cartoon in Newsweek once and they cropped out my signature.</p>
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		<title>By: anne hambrock</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2009/01/05/rall-picks-another-fight-this-one-with-newsweek/#comment-78735</link>
		<dc:creator>anne hambrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 21:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the root of  this debate is the fact that most news media have ceased to have news as their main focus and instead provide us with info-tainment. I think it was Georgie Ann Geyer who recently did a column on what has happened to newspapers since they went public and are more accountable to shareholders than average citizens who want  to be truly informed rather than merely entertained.

I have been reading both Time and Newsweek for years and they sure &quot;ain&#039;t what they used to be&quot; from a news standpoint. I am hard put to find many good news publications in general so the lack of good outlet for truly hard hitting, informative editorial cartoons is hardly surprising.

While Ted is to be applauded for trying to make a point (whether you agree with his tactics or not) a whole lot of nothing is going to change unless the news powers that be change their editorial goals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the root of  this debate is the fact that most news media have ceased to have news as their main focus and instead provide us with info-tainment. I think it was Georgie Ann Geyer who recently did a column on what has happened to newspapers since they went public and are more accountable to shareholders than average citizens who want  to be truly informed rather than merely entertained.</p>
<p>I have been reading both Time and Newsweek for years and they sure &#8220;ain&#8217;t what they used to be&#8221; from a news standpoint. I am hard put to find many good news publications in general so the lack of good outlet for truly hard hitting, informative editorial cartoons is hardly surprising.</p>
<p>While Ted is to be applauded for trying to make a point (whether you agree with his tactics or not) a whole lot of nothing is going to change unless the news powers that be change their editorial goals.</p>
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		<title>By: Wiley Miller</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2009/01/05/rall-picks-another-fight-this-one-with-newsweek/#comment-78734</link>
		<dc:creator>Wiley Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 21:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Then the root problem to all this is - How to make controversy pay?&quot;

Well, that&#039;s the irony here. Controversy is what built the newspaper industry in the first place! They thrived on competition, where most cities had several newspapers. They did a marvelous job over the past 30 years of cutting their own throats by eliminating the competition, where we now have nothing but one newspaper towns and editors are petrified of anything that might &quot;offend&quot; a reader. Truly pathetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Then the root problem to all this is &#8211; How to make controversy pay?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, that&#8217;s the irony here. Controversy is what built the newspaper industry in the first place! They thrived on competition, where most cities had several newspapers. They did a marvelous job over the past 30 years of cutting their own throats by eliminating the competition, where we now have nothing but one newspaper towns and editors are petrified of anything that might &#8220;offend&#8221; a reader. Truly pathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Wood</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2009/01/05/rall-picks-another-fight-this-one-with-newsweek/#comment-78733</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 18:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then the root problem to all this is - How to make controversy pay?

Ann Coulter figured it out. 

So did Matt Drudge, Christopher Hitchens, and Rush Limbaugh, among others. The Daily Show, Colbert, South Park, and SNL do okay at it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then the root problem to all this is &#8211; How to make controversy pay?</p>
<p>Ann Coulter figured it out. </p>
<p>So did Matt Drudge, Christopher Hitchens, and Rush Limbaugh, among others. The Daily Show, Colbert, South Park, and SNL do okay at it.</p>
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		<title>By: Wiley Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wiley Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;These guys weren’t stupid; they KNEW what made a great editorial cartoon. They just didn’t want to deal with angry readers and angry letters as they got older, and so didn’t run the good stuff.&quot;

Anybody who has worked as a staff cartoonist has had that same experience. You are dead right here, JP. 

How often have we seen editors go through the pile of cartoons that have arrived from the various syndicates in the daily mail, and every so often go around in the office with a particularly good, hard hitting cartoon and say, &quot;Look at this one! Isn&#039;t it great?&quot;. Then when asked if they&#039;re going to run it, they shoot back, laughing, &quot;Are you kidding? No way!&quot;. Then they go and tack in on to the bulletin board while they run some lame gag cartoon. Editors live in deathly fear of the phone ringing and having to deal with readers, which always made me wonder why they sought the job on the editorial page. The whole point of the editorial page is to get reader reaction! If they don&#039;t want to deal with readers, then they should sit their lazy ass on the wire copy desk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;These guys weren’t stupid; they KNEW what made a great editorial cartoon. They just didn’t want to deal with angry readers and angry letters as they got older, and so didn’t run the good stuff.&#8221;</p>
<p>Anybody who has worked as a staff cartoonist has had that same experience. You are dead right here, JP. </p>
<p>How often have we seen editors go through the pile of cartoons that have arrived from the various syndicates in the daily mail, and every so often go around in the office with a particularly good, hard hitting cartoon and say, &#8220;Look at this one! Isn&#8217;t it great?&#8221;. Then when asked if they&#8217;re going to run it, they shoot back, laughing, &#8220;Are you kidding? No way!&#8221;. Then they go and tack in on to the bulletin board while they run some lame gag cartoon. Editors live in deathly fear of the phone ringing and having to deal with readers, which always made me wonder why they sought the job on the editorial page. The whole point of the editorial page is to get reader reaction! If they don&#8217;t want to deal with readers, then they should sit their lazy ass on the wire copy desk.</p>
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		<title>By: JP Trostle</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2009/01/05/rall-picks-another-fight-this-one-with-newsweek/#comment-78731</link>
		<dc:creator>JP Trostle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My decade of dealing with the editorial board of The Patriot-News (Harrisburg, PA) continues to be a perfect encapsulation of all that&#039;s wrong with &#039;them damn editors&#039;. Here&#039;s one of my &#039;favorite&#039; stories that both belies and confirms the above problem:

In this case, they had a table where they dumped out all the syndicated cartoons when they arrived by mail (ah, yes, remember that?). Whichever editor was pulling material for the next day&#039;s paper could pick what they wanted, and I often came in to read what everyone was submitting.

What stunned me is that, time after time, the editors would run only the gags, the weak, the safe -- while the best, hardest-hitting cartoons usually ended up pinned to the walls of their cubicles. These guys weren&#039;t stupid; they KNEW what made a great editorial cartoon. They just didn&#039;t want to deal with angry readers and angry letters as they got older, and so didn&#039;t run the good stuff. 

Ignorance is much easier to fight than complacency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My decade of dealing with the editorial board of The Patriot-News (Harrisburg, PA) continues to be a perfect encapsulation of all that&#8217;s wrong with &#8216;them damn editors&#8217;. Here&#8217;s one of my &#8216;favorite&#8217; stories that both belies and confirms the above problem:</p>
<p>In this case, they had a table where they dumped out all the syndicated cartoons when they arrived by mail (ah, yes, remember that?). Whichever editor was pulling material for the next day&#8217;s paper could pick what they wanted, and I often came in to read what everyone was submitting.</p>
<p>What stunned me is that, time after time, the editors would run only the gags, the weak, the safe &#8212; while the best, hardest-hitting cartoons usually ended up pinned to the walls of their cubicles. These guys weren&#8217;t stupid; they KNEW what made a great editorial cartoon. They just didn&#8217;t want to deal with angry readers and angry letters as they got older, and so didn&#8217;t run the good stuff. </p>
<p>Ignorance is much easier to fight than complacency.</p>
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		<title>By: Wiley Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wiley Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 18:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, I think something needs to be put into perspective here (so to speak). The problem isn&#039;t Newsweek or their Perspectives page, in and of itself. That page is clearly geared for entertainment purposes, not editorializing. In that regard, the editor is going to select topical cartoons that entertain rather than take an editorial stance on any given issue. 

The problem lies with the rest of the lazy media, who see this national forum of cartoons and project them as being the best the field has to offer. Through little fault of their own, Newsweek&#039;s Perspective page as an undue influence on newspaper editors, which translates to the Pulitzer Board and others when it comes to the awards. When left to themselves, editors have absolutely no idea what a good editorial cartoon is. A few years ago, Professor Lucy Caswell (head of the Cartoon Research Library at Ohio State) sat on the board judging editorial cartoons and helped educate editors with her on what to look for. Those years had outstanding winners (like Clay Bennett, one of the best in the business who got passed over many times before his selection). Since her departure, we&#039;ve seen a return their old ways, of selecting the guys who appeared in Newsweek the most often.

What I think Ted is asking for is nothing more than for editors to do what they&#039;re SUPPOSED to do. I don&#039;t think that&#039;s asking too much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I think something needs to be put into perspective here (so to speak). The problem isn&#8217;t Newsweek or their Perspectives page, in and of itself. That page is clearly geared for entertainment purposes, not editorializing. In that regard, the editor is going to select topical cartoons that entertain rather than take an editorial stance on any given issue. </p>
<p>The problem lies with the rest of the lazy media, who see this national forum of cartoons and project them as being the best the field has to offer. Through little fault of their own, Newsweek&#8217;s Perspective page as an undue influence on newspaper editors, which translates to the Pulitzer Board and others when it comes to the awards. When left to themselves, editors have absolutely no idea what a good editorial cartoon is. A few years ago, Professor Lucy Caswell (head of the Cartoon Research Library at Ohio State) sat on the board judging editorial cartoons and helped educate editors with her on what to look for. Those years had outstanding winners (like Clay Bennett, one of the best in the business who got passed over many times before his selection). Since her departure, we&#8217;ve seen a return their old ways, of selecting the guys who appeared in Newsweek the most often.</p>
<p>What I think Ted is asking for is nothing more than for editors to do what they&#8217;re SUPPOSED to do. I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s asking too much.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Rall</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2009/01/05/rall-picks-another-fight-this-one-with-newsweek/#comment-78720</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Rall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 18:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even you accept the criteria that obviously govern the cartoon selection process at Time, Newsweek, NYTâ€”single panel cartoons only, jokes over editorializing, only cross-hatchers need applyâ€”it is unfathomable that these editors choose the cartoons they do.

Taking myself as an example, I&#039;ve never been in USA Today. Not once. I&#039;ve been in Newsweek once. (It was, naturally, a cartoon featuring a guy watching TV in his living room. It was awful.)

Now, I may not be the best cartoonist around. But I&#039;ve been syndicated since 1991. Done more than 4000 cartoons since then. Won prizes, yada yada yada. Not one of my cartoons was single panel enough, funny enough, etc. to be in USA Today? Really?

Which got me to thinking about other cartoonists whose work NEVER appears in these venues: alties like Tom Tomorrow and Ruben Bolling. Neo-alties like Matt Bors. Old hands, with Pulitzer Prizes to their names, like Tom Toles and Signe Wilkinson and Ben Sargeant, rarely if ever see their work in those pages.

Of course, this cuts the other way, too. During the 1990s, I was one of the most frequently reprinted cartoonists in the NYT Week In Review. And I have to be fair--many of the times my work appeared there, it took the place of far better stuff that didn&#039;t.

You could say that it all evens out, but that&#039;s not the point. Round-ups that purport to present &quot;The Best&quot; in the profession ought to make more of an effort to be inclusive and representative and thoughtful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even you accept the criteria that obviously govern the cartoon selection process at Time, Newsweek, NYTâ€”single panel cartoons only, jokes over editorializing, only cross-hatchers need applyâ€”it is unfathomable that these editors choose the cartoons they do.</p>
<p>Taking myself as an example, I&#8217;ve never been in USA Today. Not once. I&#8217;ve been in Newsweek once. (It was, naturally, a cartoon featuring a guy watching TV in his living room. It was awful.)</p>
<p>Now, I may not be the best cartoonist around. But I&#8217;ve been syndicated since 1991. Done more than 4000 cartoons since then. Won prizes, yada yada yada. Not one of my cartoons was single panel enough, funny enough, etc. to be in USA Today? Really?</p>
<p>Which got me to thinking about other cartoonists whose work NEVER appears in these venues: alties like Tom Tomorrow and Ruben Bolling. Neo-alties like Matt Bors. Old hands, with Pulitzer Prizes to their names, like Tom Toles and Signe Wilkinson and Ben Sargeant, rarely if ever see their work in those pages.</p>
<p>Of course, this cuts the other way, too. During the 1990s, I was one of the most frequently reprinted cartoonists in the NYT Week In Review. And I have to be fair&#8211;many of the times my work appeared there, it took the place of far better stuff that didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>You could say that it all evens out, but that&#8217;s not the point. Round-ups that purport to present &#8220;The Best&#8221; in the profession ought to make more of an effort to be inclusive and representative and thoughtful.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Darcy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Darcy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 23:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d love to come up with some of those &quot;lame&quot; cartoons by that two time pulitzer winner that Newsweek runs all the time.
Years ago I had the oppurtunity to talk with the then Pic. Editor at Newsweek when they were running my stuff about once a month.
He told me he and one other editor picked the cartoons from hundreds of submissions. 
And that they started the year end cartoon issue after a reader poll showed there cartoon page was the most popular in the mag.

It was obviouse the two editors picking the toons liked a certain type of cartoon.  So I never mailed them others that didn&#039;t fit the mold.
I&#039;m in the camp, that  says we should be thanking these Mags for running cartoons, period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d love to come up with some of those &#8220;lame&#8221; cartoons by that two time pulitzer winner that Newsweek runs all the time.<br />
Years ago I had the oppurtunity to talk with the then Pic. Editor at Newsweek when they were running my stuff about once a month.<br />
He told me he and one other editor picked the cartoons from hundreds of submissions.<br />
And that they started the year end cartoon issue after a reader poll showed there cartoon page was the most popular in the mag.</p>
<p>It was obviouse the two editors picking the toons liked a certain type of cartoon.  So I never mailed them others that didn&#8217;t fit the mold.<br />
I&#8217;m in the camp, that  says we should be thanking these Mags for running cartoons, period.</p>
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		<title>By: John Auchter</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Auchter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Or, they could consider the source as coming from an expert in the field, honestly assess the complaint, determine its legitimacy, and reassess how they go about this aspect of their job. You know, the thing editors are supposed to do.&quot;

Well it took 64 postings, but at last we arrive at the heart of the matter. Well done, Mr. Miller.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Or, they could consider the source as coming from an expert in the field, honestly assess the complaint, determine its legitimacy, and reassess how they go about this aspect of their job. You know, the thing editors are supposed to do.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well it took 64 postings, but at last we arrive at the heart of the matter. Well done, Mr. Miller.</p>
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