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		<title>By: Ben Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My local paper is family owned. Circulation has slipped from 60,000 to 47,000 in recent years.

Visible cost-cutting has mainly involved ad prices and page width.

Otherwise, the paper has gotten better, and without resorting to the McPaper look. No cartoons have been cut. A staff artist, undoubtedly part time or free lance, remains.

I cannot share their finances, which are private, but it seems likely they will be around for a while, despite being in one of the most competitive newspaper markets in the country.

A cartoonist effort to rank papers by stewardship would be a big undertaking, but would reveal who is being lost due to &quot;cost cutting&quot; as opposed to wise planning.

Mastering sound cost control techniques that are working at some papers would allow a more potent challenge to cost cuts that are possibly ill-advised and which have been conceived by accountants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My local paper is family owned. Circulation has slipped from 60,000 to 47,000 in recent years.</p>
<p>Visible cost-cutting has mainly involved ad prices and page width.</p>
<p>Otherwise, the paper has gotten better, and without resorting to the McPaper look. No cartoons have been cut. A staff artist, undoubtedly part time or free lance, remains.</p>
<p>I cannot share their finances, which are private, but it seems likely they will be around for a while, despite being in one of the most competitive newspaper markets in the country.</p>
<p>A cartoonist effort to rank papers by stewardship would be a big undertaking, but would reveal who is being lost due to &#8220;cost cutting&#8221; as opposed to wise planning.</p>
<p>Mastering sound cost control techniques that are working at some papers would allow a more potent challenge to cost cuts that are possibly ill-advised and which have been conceived by accountants.</p>
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		<title>By: John Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 13:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cartoons just need to be relevant.  they need to inform and entertain.  They need to tell a story. They ultimately need to be accessible.  That means people have to &quot;get them&quot; content wise.  

They also have to be part of the media.  That mean they have to be &quot;in people&#039;s faces&quot;.  If you cover all those bases you will have success.

To cover these &quot;bases&quot; you will touch on style, content, and delivery.  These are the core issues in cartooning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cartoons just need to be relevant.  they need to inform and entertain.  They need to tell a story. They ultimately need to be accessible.  That means people have to &#8220;get them&#8221; content wise.  </p>
<p>They also have to be part of the media.  That mean they have to be &#8220;in people&#8217;s faces&#8221;.  If you cover all those bases you will have success.</p>
<p>To cover these &#8220;bases&#8221; you will touch on style, content, and delivery.  These are the core issues in cartooning.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Rall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted Rall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Canada&#039;s newspaper market has long looked more like Europe&#039;s than the United States&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Canada&#8217;s newspaper market has long looked more like Europe&#8217;s than the United States&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Gerhardt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Gerhardt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Canada, due to the significant distances between our larger cities, the bigger dailies seem somewhat immune to the diminishing market.  I can&#039;t quote circulation numbers, but the typical issue of the localy daily we subscribe to, the &quot;Calgary Herald&quot;, has grown in all aspects, including the comics page.  Due to a time crunch during the week, most news is perused on the web, and newspapers are read on the weekend. The articles are more in depth, and the inclusion of weekly and monthly local arts/culture/human interest magazines with unique/off beat viewpoints and high photographic/artwork standards are included.  Our two Toronto based national papers, &quot;The Globe and Mail&quot; and the &quot;National Post&quot; complement, rather than compete with our local papers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Canada, due to the significant distances between our larger cities, the bigger dailies seem somewhat immune to the diminishing market.  I can&#8217;t quote circulation numbers, but the typical issue of the localy daily we subscribe to, the &#8220;Calgary Herald&#8221;, has grown in all aspects, including the comics page.  Due to a time crunch during the week, most news is perused on the web, and newspapers are read on the weekend. The articles are more in depth, and the inclusion of weekly and monthly local arts/culture/human interest magazines with unique/off beat viewpoints and high photographic/artwork standards are included.  Our two Toronto based national papers, &#8220;The Globe and Mail&#8221; and the &#8220;National Post&#8221; complement, rather than compete with our local papers.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Dawson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted Dawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Newspapers and newspaper comics are alive and well in South America and Asia.  What are they doing differently?

Things that have contributed to lower newspaper readership in the U.S.:

No competition

No local ownership

No newspaper machines

Dependence on AP reports and syndicated material.

The American newspaper business is one of the most profitable, regardless of what they say. The newspaper industry sported profits in the range of 17-18% in 2006, compared to, say, Exxon-Mobil,  which reported record profits of 10% that year.

Personal responsibility among corporate newspaper ownership is the only thing that&#039;s really hurting the newspaper industry.

Last year Reuters reported a study that said newspapers that spend money on their newsrooms actually make more money.  I don&#039;t think the corporate board members read the newspaper, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newspapers and newspaper comics are alive and well in South America and Asia.  What are they doing differently?</p>
<p>Things that have contributed to lower newspaper readership in the U.S.:</p>
<p>No competition</p>
<p>No local ownership</p>
<p>No newspaper machines</p>
<p>Dependence on AP reports and syndicated material.</p>
<p>The American newspaper business is one of the most profitable, regardless of what they say. The newspaper industry sported profits in the range of 17-18% in 2006, compared to, say, Exxon-Mobil,  which reported record profits of 10% that year.</p>
<p>Personal responsibility among corporate newspaper ownership is the only thing that&#8217;s really hurting the newspaper industry.</p>
<p>Last year Reuters reported a study that said newspapers that spend money on their newsrooms actually make more money.  I don&#8217;t think the corporate board members read the newspaper, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Diesslin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Diesslin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 05:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would more local papers mean an shrinking or growing market for cartoons?  The USA Today model is humorless/cartoonless, so I was wondering if there would actually be more papers available to run comic strips (although perhaps paying less regional ones).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would more local papers mean an shrinking or growing market for cartoons?  The USA Today model is humorless/cartoonless, so I was wondering if there would actually be more papers available to run comic strips (although perhaps paying less regional ones).</p>
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		<title>By: anne hambrock</title>
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		<dc:creator>anne hambrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with much that has been said above about local content and also with Ted&#039;s assertion that print will not go away entirely. But I want to restate a point I have made before when this topic comes up in regard to the online market for newspapers.

 I like convenience and one stop shopping. I could probably surf the web and find many of the news items about the comics business that appear on this site. I don&#039;t want to. It&#039;s a waste of my time. I come to this site because the news I want has been gathered for me. Not only that, I always know the site will work with my computer and my browser - something not always true of some of the other comics sites I have visited.

If a newspaper site existed where I could get all the content I was interested in one convenient location, I would visit it regularly. Also, with all the widget technology out there it is entirely possible for a newspaper website to know exactly how many views each part of the paper is getting rather than their rather sophisticated current philosophy of guessing. 

Once it is clear how many eyeballs go to the comics section of the paper in ratio to other topics offered, the debate over whether comics are important or not becomes a non issue and ad rates can be easily determined. The idea of mixing ads with the comics has come up here before but always in the context of the print version of the paper where the case seems to come down to newsprint cost. Totally irrelevant on the web.

I know there are many people who read their comics through the various web services like gocomics and daily ink etc. But there also a huge number of folks that simply go read them at the Houston Chronicle every day instead. There really should be a simple way to turn a comic spot in the Houston Chronicle into more $ than is happening now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with much that has been said above about local content and also with Ted&#8217;s assertion that print will not go away entirely. But I want to restate a point I have made before when this topic comes up in regard to the online market for newspapers.</p>
<p> I like convenience and one stop shopping. I could probably surf the web and find many of the news items about the comics business that appear on this site. I don&#8217;t want to. It&#8217;s a waste of my time. I come to this site because the news I want has been gathered for me. Not only that, I always know the site will work with my computer and my browser &#8211; something not always true of some of the other comics sites I have visited.</p>
<p>If a newspaper site existed where I could get all the content I was interested in one convenient location, I would visit it regularly. Also, with all the widget technology out there it is entirely possible for a newspaper website to know exactly how many views each part of the paper is getting rather than their rather sophisticated current philosophy of guessing. </p>
<p>Once it is clear how many eyeballs go to the comics section of the paper in ratio to other topics offered, the debate over whether comics are important or not becomes a non issue and ad rates can be easily determined. The idea of mixing ads with the comics has come up here before but always in the context of the print version of the paper where the case seems to come down to newsprint cost. Totally irrelevant on the web.</p>
<p>I know there are many people who read their comics through the various web services like gocomics and daily ink etc. But there also a huge number of folks that simply go read them at the Houston Chronicle every day instead. There really should be a simple way to turn a comic spot in the Houston Chronicle into more $ than is happening now.</p>
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		<title>By: David Willson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Willson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t agree with the quote you picked by Meyer more ... especially this part, &quot;I still believe that a newspaperâ€™s most important product, the product least vulnerable to substitution, is community influence. It gains this influence by being the trusted source for locally produced news...&quot;

But more than that, a typical metropolitan newspaper has built a &quot;community brand&quot; that most companies would kill for, and they don&#039;t seem to realize it. Of course they&#039;ll have to develop a tansmedia business model for the future, but they have an almost captive market to do it with. 

Mike Peterson nails the reasons why they are mostly clueless. If you&#039;re looking for proof, look no further than my market, with COX owned Palm Beach Post. They recently let go almost every popular reporter, editor, artist, cartoonist and columnist they had. In doing so, they completely decimating their brand affinity with the community. Instead of focusing on the community editorially they seem to be trying to emulate USA Today, US and People in their content and delivery. Coupled with other alterations due to budget cuts, the change in the Post has been so shocking to the community that it is now a local joke.

On the other hand, COX owned Palm Beach Daily News, the little community paper for the town of Palm Beach is profitable and thriving. Sure, it&#039;s a wealthy community. They get a break because advertisers will spend to reach its readers, but its real success is that the editors are focused on producing a community organ with laser-like intensity ... and always have been. As their weekly freelance editorial cartoonist, I do less than a half-dozen cartoons a year that fall out of the local purview.

&quot;Working commercial artist who is stretching his wings,&quot; describes me perfectly. I believe that the Web is currently a good environment for individual cartoonists to potentially increase their audience and exposure, but not profitable as Ted Rall says. Going forward, it appears that successful cartoonists on the Web will probably have to work in more of a studio situation, similar to JibJab.com, to best leverage multi-media creatively. They&#039;ll need to work in teams of concept artists, animators and programmers ... or somehow learn to do it all themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree with the quote you picked by Meyer more &#8230; especially this part, &#8220;I still believe that a newspaperâ€™s most important product, the product least vulnerable to substitution, is community influence. It gains this influence by being the trusted source for locally produced news&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>But more than that, a typical metropolitan newspaper has built a &#8220;community brand&#8221; that most companies would kill for, and they don&#8217;t seem to realize it. Of course they&#8217;ll have to develop a tansmedia business model for the future, but they have an almost captive market to do it with. </p>
<p>Mike Peterson nails the reasons why they are mostly clueless. If you&#8217;re looking for proof, look no further than my market, with COX owned Palm Beach Post. They recently let go almost every popular reporter, editor, artist, cartoonist and columnist they had. In doing so, they completely decimating their brand affinity with the community. Instead of focusing on the community editorially they seem to be trying to emulate USA Today, US and People in their content and delivery. Coupled with other alterations due to budget cuts, the change in the Post has been so shocking to the community that it is now a local joke.</p>
<p>On the other hand, COX owned Palm Beach Daily News, the little community paper for the town of Palm Beach is profitable and thriving. Sure, it&#8217;s a wealthy community. They get a break because advertisers will spend to reach its readers, but its real success is that the editors are focused on producing a community organ with laser-like intensity &#8230; and always have been. As their weekly freelance editorial cartoonist, I do less than a half-dozen cartoons a year that fall out of the local purview.</p>
<p>&#8220;Working commercial artist who is stretching his wings,&#8221; describes me perfectly. I believe that the Web is currently a good environment for individual cartoonists to potentially increase their audience and exposure, but not profitable as Ted Rall says. Going forward, it appears that successful cartoonists on the Web will probably have to work in more of a studio situation, similar to JibJab.com, to best leverage multi-media creatively. They&#8217;ll need to work in teams of concept artists, animators and programmers &#8230; or somehow learn to do it all themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Sieber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Sieber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that Ted&#039;s scenario is the most likely. There will be a few national papers like USA today and the rest will be small weeklies, or other community specific papers.

This doesn&#039;t bode well for comics because there simply won&#039;t be enough publications to sustain a career built solely on newspaper strips. And, if you look at papers like USA today, they don&#039;t even offer comics. I think that as papers scramble for profitability and try to fit into the future, comics will likely begin to disappear.

Someone brought up the idea that by getting edgier comics in the papers, it will attract young readers. I disagree, because people who want edgy comics are already reading that kind of material online for free.

Kids today are used to getting the content they want for free, so I don&#039;t see them growing up, and suddenly getting interested in paying for a newspaper just to follow a particular comic. Maybe newspapers are something they&#039;ll pick up in their later years, but I think the young demographic is gone.

Anyway, it&#039;s a good discussion. Being a newspaper guy I&#039;m definitely intrigued by where the industry is headed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Ted&#8217;s scenario is the most likely. There will be a few national papers like USA today and the rest will be small weeklies, or other community specific papers.</p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t bode well for comics because there simply won&#8217;t be enough publications to sustain a career built solely on newspaper strips. And, if you look at papers like USA today, they don&#8217;t even offer comics. I think that as papers scramble for profitability and try to fit into the future, comics will likely begin to disappear.</p>
<p>Someone brought up the idea that by getting edgier comics in the papers, it will attract young readers. I disagree, because people who want edgy comics are already reading that kind of material online for free.</p>
<p>Kids today are used to getting the content they want for free, so I don&#8217;t see them growing up, and suddenly getting interested in paying for a newspaper just to follow a particular comic. Maybe newspapers are something they&#8217;ll pick up in their later years, but I think the young demographic is gone.</p>
<p>Anyway, it&#8217;s a good discussion. Being a newspaper guy I&#8217;m definitely intrigued by where the industry is headed.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Rall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted Rall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I wrote in my three-part &quot;Future Imperfect&quot; series linked above, I think the future will look like Europe--a cluster of large national newspapers like USA Today, WSJ, and NYT, lots and lots of small community papers. The midsize urban dailies will contract.

In the final analysis, newspapers will survive in print because:

1. Print provides a service other formats like the web cannot--portability and ease of use being paramount.

2. Web-based advertising rates will not rise much, certainly not high enough to make web-based news-gathering profitable. This is because web readers don&#039;t pay enough attention to ads or buy the products advertised at high volume.

3. Businesses and individuals need raw news. Neither TV, nor radio, nor the web/bloggers are not set up to generate enough actual journalism to replace the work done by print newspaper journalists.

Without a doubt, print will look different--more national, more local, less regional. But it will not go away. I wish I had ten million dollars. If I did, I&#039;d start a couple of newspapers now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I wrote in my three-part &#8220;Future Imperfect&#8221; series linked above, I think the future will look like Europe&#8211;a cluster of large national newspapers like USA Today, WSJ, and NYT, lots and lots of small community papers. The midsize urban dailies will contract.</p>
<p>In the final analysis, newspapers will survive in print because:</p>
<p>1. Print provides a service other formats like the web cannot&#8211;portability and ease of use being paramount.</p>
<p>2. Web-based advertising rates will not rise much, certainly not high enough to make web-based news-gathering profitable. This is because web readers don&#8217;t pay enough attention to ads or buy the products advertised at high volume.</p>
<p>3. Businesses and individuals need raw news. Neither TV, nor radio, nor the web/bloggers are not set up to generate enough actual journalism to replace the work done by print newspaper journalists.</p>
<p>Without a doubt, print will look different&#8211;more national, more local, less regional. But it will not go away. I wish I had ten million dollars. If I did, I&#8217;d start a couple of newspapers now.</p>
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