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	<title>Comments on: Editorial cartoonist ranks drop by 29 in 3 years</title>
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		<title>By: Chandra Lundy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chandra Lundy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 01:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking to find out how much my Hugh Haynie art is worth.  Chandralundy@windstream.net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking to find out how much my Hugh Haynie art is worth.  <a href="mailto:Chandralundy@windstream.net">Chandralundy@windstream.net</a></p>
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		<title>By: John Cole</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baa-a-a-a-a-a.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baa-a-a-a-a-a.</p>
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		<title>By: T. Brian Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>T. Brian Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second John Read&#039;s observation. Ted is a leader and that&#039;s what the AAEC needs more than ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second John Read&#8217;s observation. Ted is a leader and that&#8217;s what the AAEC needs more than ever.</p>
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		<title>By: John Read</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/10/13/editorial-cartoonist-ranks-drop-by-28-in-3-years/#comment-77267</link>
		<dc:creator>John Read</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based entirely on what I&#039;ve read in threads on this site and comments posted on a couple of other sites frequented by editoonists, I have a feeling Ted Rall is going to be good for the AAEC. Just a feeling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based entirely on what I&#8217;ve read in threads on this site and comments posted on a couple of other sites frequented by editoonists, I have a feeling Ted Rall is going to be good for the AAEC. Just a feeling.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Rall</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/10/13/editorial-cartoonist-ranks-drop-by-28-in-3-years/#comment-77231</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Rall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Brian. I can assure you that under my watch as AAEC president this year, there will be no more advertising everything that goes wrong in our profession. Papers and magazines can&#039;t be guilted into hiring (or not firing) cartoonists. But some do get the idea to fire (or not hire) cartoonists by reading those whiny articles.

Editorial cartoonists are rock stars. Readers *do* appreciate what we do. If publishers of newspapers and magazines don&#039;t understand that, it&#039;s their loss--in terms of reduced circulation and lost income.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Brian. I can assure you that under my watch as AAEC president this year, there will be no more advertising everything that goes wrong in our profession. Papers and magazines can&#8217;t be guilted into hiring (or not firing) cartoonists. But some do get the idea to fire (or not hire) cartoonists by reading those whiny articles.</p>
<p>Editorial cartoonists are rock stars. Readers *do* appreciate what we do. If publishers of newspapers and magazines don&#8217;t understand that, it&#8217;s their loss&#8211;in terms of reduced circulation and lost income.</p>
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		<title>By: JP Trostle</title>
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		<dc:creator>JP Trostle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry, that should be &quot;all THERE used to be.&quot;


A final thought on this: on several occasions over the last decade, Cullum Rogers and I attempted to do an exact tally of our profession, but every time we would come up with a total, the terrain would shift. On the heels of Attack of the Political Cartoonists (2004) I wrote the article for Nieman Reports and said &quot;94&quot; for sure ... ok, maybe. Then Cullum found a few I had overlooked and said 101 for sure, and immediately after about 6 or 7 guys got canned so we were back to the mid-90s. Again, full-time staff cartoonists who do nothing else.

Later, when I working on the Attitude books with Ted, I tried to figure out the upper limit, i.e., how many people in the U.S. are there who get paid (even if it&#039;s just beer money) to do the occasional editorial cartoon for a publication (even if it&#039;s only weekly or semi-regularly). While I joked it was &quot;233 1/3&quot;, the total I came up with was indeed somewhere between 225 and 250.

Considering this is about the number of &lt;i&gt;staff&lt;/i&gt; newspaper cartoonists cited at our modern high water mark circa 1980, the conclusion seems pretty clear: the number of cartoonists &lt;i&gt;drawing&lt;/i&gt; political cartoons has remained fairly consistent over time; it is our patrons and support structure that has evaporated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry, that should be &#8220;all THERE used to be.&#8221;</p>
<p>A final thought on this: on several occasions over the last decade, Cullum Rogers and I attempted to do an exact tally of our profession, but every time we would come up with a total, the terrain would shift. On the heels of Attack of the Political Cartoonists (2004) I wrote the article for Nieman Reports and said &#8220;94&#8243; for sure &#8230; ok, maybe. Then Cullum found a few I had overlooked and said 101 for sure, and immediately after about 6 or 7 guys got canned so we were back to the mid-90s. Again, full-time staff cartoonists who do nothing else.</p>
<p>Later, when I working on the Attitude books with Ted, I tried to figure out the upper limit, i.e., how many people in the U.S. are there who get paid (even if it&#8217;s just beer money) to do the occasional editorial cartoon for a publication (even if it&#8217;s only weekly or semi-regularly). While I joked it was &#8220;233 1/3&#8243;, the total I came up with was indeed somewhere between 225 and 250.</p>
<p>Considering this is about the number of <i>staff</i> newspaper cartoonists cited at our modern high water mark circa 1980, the conclusion seems pretty clear: the number of cartoonists <i>drawing</i> political cartoons has remained fairly consistent over time; it is our patrons and support structure that has evaporated.</p>
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		<title>By: JP Trostle</title>
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		<dc:creator>JP Trostle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That &quot;under 100&quot; number we always cite is for full-time staff editorial cartoonists on daily U.S. newspapers. If you take off the freelancers, the syndicate-only, the graphic-designers-who-contribute-an-occasional-cartoon (like myself), then that list above should drop by at least 10 names, possibly more (and Paul Combs is counted twice.)

The AAEC keeps that baseline because that&#039;s all their used to be. It is certainly no longer the norm, or even the majority, and some of us have been talking about leaving it behind with all the other 20th century memes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That &#8220;under 100&#8243; number we always cite is for full-time staff editorial cartoonists on daily U.S. newspapers. If you take off the freelancers, the syndicate-only, the graphic-designers-who-contribute-an-occasional-cartoon (like myself), then that list above should drop by at least 10 names, possibly more (and Paul Combs is counted twice.)</p>
<p>The AAEC keeps that baseline because that&#8217;s all their used to be. It is certainly no longer the norm, or even the majority, and some of us have been talking about leaving it behind with all the other 20th century memes</p>
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		<title>By: Kal Kallaugher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kal Kallaugher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 01:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Mike Ramirez and I qualify for the List of Death.  We received our buyout offers November 2005.  My last day served was January 2006.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Mike Ramirez and I qualify for the List of Death.  We received our buyout offers November 2005.  My last day served was January 2006.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Tornoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Tornoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 01:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Re: The Courier-Journal.

They have no desire to fill Nick&#039;s position. I contacted them last year while I was freelancing for the Press of Atlantic City, and even back then before Gannett&#039;s job cuts, they said the weren&#039;t going to fill it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Re: The Courier-Journal.</p>
<p>They have no desire to fill Nick&#8217;s position. I contacted them last year while I was freelancing for the Press of Atlantic City, and even back then before Gannett&#8217;s job cuts, they said the weren&#8217;t going to fill it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Tornoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Tornoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 01:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just added as a staff cartoonist this year, so that&#039;s something. And I work online, so I hope I have some longevity. 

Hopefully...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just added as a staff cartoonist this year, so that&#8217;s something. And I work online, so I hope I have some longevity. </p>
<p>Hopefully&#8230;</p>
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