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	<title>Comments on: AAEC responds to passage of Orphan Works Act</title>
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		<title>By: anne hambrock</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/09/28/aaec-responds-to-passage-of-orphan-works-act/#comment-76727</link>
		<dc:creator>anne hambrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 17:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to keep bringing up the music industry but they have similar intellectual property issues.  Regardless of high profile nonsense like someone owning the rights to &quot;happy birthday&quot;, (where royalties are only paid when it is used in a film or such - not when sung at someone&#039;s house) there are scads of tunes officially in the public domain. Is there no equivalant for printed images? And if there is a public domain for printed images wouldn&#039;t it be simpler just to create a database for those?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to keep bringing up the music industry but they have similar intellectual property issues.  Regardless of high profile nonsense like someone owning the rights to &#8220;happy birthday&#8221;, (where royalties are only paid when it is used in a film or such &#8211; not when sung at someone&#8217;s house) there are scads of tunes officially in the public domain. Is there no equivalant for printed images? And if there is a public domain for printed images wouldn&#8217;t it be simpler just to create a database for those?</p>
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		<title>By: Wiley Miller</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/09/28/aaec-responds-to-passage-of-orphan-works-act/#comment-76725</link>
		<dc:creator>Wiley Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I keep going back to the impetus of this bill. The benefits for researchers and librarians strike me as being the front story masking the real reason this bill was proposed in the first place. Was this some sort of grass roots movement to right some wrong for the benefit of the public at large? Please. When a bill like this is pushed by heavily funded lobbyists, it is being done so for the benefit of a corporate entity. 

Don&#039;t be distracted and misdirected by the librarian and researcher spin. Just follow the money to see who is actually going to benefit from it. They are not doing it for altruistic reasons, they are out for a profit, to get something for nothing.

Look for the big picture hiding behind the curtain of spin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I keep going back to the impetus of this bill. The benefits for researchers and librarians strike me as being the front story masking the real reason this bill was proposed in the first place. Was this some sort of grass roots movement to right some wrong for the benefit of the public at large? Please. When a bill like this is pushed by heavily funded lobbyists, it is being done so for the benefit of a corporate entity. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be distracted and misdirected by the librarian and researcher spin. Just follow the money to see who is actually going to benefit from it. They are not doing it for altruistic reasons, they are out for a profit, to get something for nothing.</p>
<p>Look for the big picture hiding behind the curtain of spin.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Rall</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/09/28/aaec-responds-to-passage-of-orphan-works-act/#comment-76722</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Rall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yay! Cartoonists win for once! Thanks to everyone who contributed to the effort to kill this rancid bill.

Barry, you&#039;re awesome and I love you, but I hardly think the inability to republish stuff because you can&#039;t find the copyright holder qualifies as a &quot;serious problem.&quot; Sounds more like a minor annoyance to me.

Even assuming it is a problem, however, it is up to the archivists, etc. who want to change the existing law to come up with a solution that does not make other people&#039;s--i.e. my and my fellow cartoonists&#039;--lives more difficult.

In politics, follow the money. The money behind the lobbying effort comes from Google and Microsoft--huge corporations that want to increase their profits by obtaining material as cheaply as possible, aggregating it, and selling it for big bucks. Sorry, but I can&#039;t see what&#039;s in it for me, as a content creator.

I might feel differently about this if this were all coming from librarians, for whom I feel nothing but trust, admiration and affection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yay! Cartoonists win for once! Thanks to everyone who contributed to the effort to kill this rancid bill.</p>
<p>Barry, you&#8217;re awesome and I love you, but I hardly think the inability to republish stuff because you can&#8217;t find the copyright holder qualifies as a &#8220;serious problem.&#8221; Sounds more like a minor annoyance to me.</p>
<p>Even assuming it is a problem, however, it is up to the archivists, etc. who want to change the existing law to come up with a solution that does not make other people&#8217;s&#8211;i.e. my and my fellow cartoonists&#8217;&#8211;lives more difficult.</p>
<p>In politics, follow the money. The money behind the lobbying effort comes from Google and Microsoft&#8211;huge corporations that want to increase their profits by obtaining material as cheaply as possible, aggregating it, and selling it for big bucks. Sorry, but I can&#8217;t see what&#8217;s in it for me, as a content creator.</p>
<p>I might feel differently about this if this were all coming from librarians, for whom I feel nothing but trust, admiration and affection.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Deutsch</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/09/28/aaec-responds-to-passage-of-orphan-works-act/#comment-76721</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry Deutsch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bill is &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/09/orphan-works-co.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dead&lt;/a&gt;, at least until after the election. (At which point I hope it passes.)

I&#039;d recommend reading &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.animationoptions.com/blog/2008/09/29/plight-of-the-orphans/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this post on Animation Options&lt;/a&gt; for a pro-Orphan-Works argument by someone who creates content for a living.

Phil writes:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I mean seriously.. the more i think about.. Where is this huge demand for people who absolutely need to use artwork decades old that it requires an act of congress. Who are the people that will be using this old artwork. Where are they?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If you&#039;re a fan of classic cartooning, you probably already know about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.asifa-hollywood.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the ASIFA archive&lt;/a&gt;. Steve Worth, who runs ASIFA, wrote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;As an archivist at a non-profit museum and library, I would love to make the material in the ASIFA-Hollywood Animation Archive more widely available. But unless the situation changes, the treasures we are accumulating will be bottled up in a building on Burbank Blvd. Itâ€™s important to be able to get the information out to the people who can use it in the way that they want to be able to access it. The idea of a library being a big building with marble walls and bookcases is a thing of the past. So are archives that make you sit at a table and wear white gloves while someone hands you a box and stands over your shoulder watching you while you open it. Today, the greatest library, museum and archive in the world is sitting on everyoneâ€™s desk and itâ€™s connected by a wire to everyone elseâ€™s desk. Copyright law needs to change to reflect those new realities, if it doesnâ€™t it will continue to be an impediment to learning.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I wish opponents of the Orphan Works Act understood that orphaned works are a serious problem, and were willing to suggest alternative solutions. What I&#039;m hearing, however, is that most of my fellow cartoonists would rather see the history of our medium remain inaccessible forever than take a tiny risk, however remote, that someone somewhere will reprint our cartoons and not pay for them. (Even though we all know this happens on a daily basis, with or without the orphan works act.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bill is <a href="http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/09/orphan-works-co.html" rel="nofollow">dead</a>, at least until after the election. (At which point I hope it passes.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;d recommend reading <a href="http://www.animationoptions.com/blog/2008/09/29/plight-of-the-orphans/" rel="nofollow">this post on Animation Options</a> for a pro-Orphan-Works argument by someone who creates content for a living.</p>
<p>Phil writes:</p>
<blockquote><p>I mean seriously.. the more i think about.. Where is this huge demand for people who absolutely need to use artwork decades old that it requires an act of congress. Who are the people that will be using this old artwork. Where are they?</p></blockquote>
<p>If you&#8217;re a fan of classic cartooning, you probably already know about <a href="http://www.asifa-hollywood.org/" rel="nofollow">the ASIFA archive</a>. Steve Worth, who runs ASIFA, wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>As an archivist at a non-profit museum and library, I would love to make the material in the ASIFA-Hollywood Animation Archive more widely available. But unless the situation changes, the treasures we are accumulating will be bottled up in a building on Burbank Blvd. Itâ€™s important to be able to get the information out to the people who can use it in the way that they want to be able to access it. The idea of a library being a big building with marble walls and bookcases is a thing of the past. So are archives that make you sit at a table and wear white gloves while someone hands you a box and stands over your shoulder watching you while you open it. Today, the greatest library, museum and archive in the world is sitting on everyoneâ€™s desk and itâ€™s connected by a wire to everyone elseâ€™s desk. Copyright law needs to change to reflect those new realities, if it doesnâ€™t it will continue to be an impediment to learning.</p></blockquote>
<p>I wish opponents of the Orphan Works Act understood that orphaned works are a serious problem, and were willing to suggest alternative solutions. What I&#8217;m hearing, however, is that most of my fellow cartoonists would rather see the history of our medium remain inaccessible forever than take a tiny risk, however remote, that someone somewhere will reprint our cartoons and not pay for them. (Even though we all know this happens on a daily basis, with or without the orphan works act.)</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Peterson</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/09/28/aaec-responds-to-passage-of-orphan-works-act/#comment-76720</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 08:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Ben go and learn about the tradegy perpertrated against Percy Crosby the creator of Skippy. Read and asorb what can be done to people.&quot;

This is a case of trademark infringement, not copyright violation. It involves the Patent Office, not the Copyright Office. 

In any case, are you suggesting that the original infringer claimed to have stumbled across the comic strip and that they were unable to discover that it was the work of Percy Crosby?

I hate to be a crank about this, but so far I haven&#039;t seen a case cited that deals with an orphan work under the definition. I&#039;m not saying that people don&#039;t come across images and appropriate them for their own use, but nobody here has yet cited a case where that wasn&#039;t a matter of simple infringement, which is not covered by this law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ben go and learn about the tradegy perpertrated against Percy Crosby the creator of Skippy. Read and asorb what can be done to people.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is a case of trademark infringement, not copyright violation. It involves the Patent Office, not the Copyright Office. </p>
<p>In any case, are you suggesting that the original infringer claimed to have stumbled across the comic strip and that they were unable to discover that it was the work of Percy Crosby?</p>
<p>I hate to be a crank about this, but so far I haven&#8217;t seen a case cited that deals with an orphan work under the definition. I&#8217;m not saying that people don&#8217;t come across images and appropriate them for their own use, but nobody here has yet cited a case where that wasn&#8217;t a matter of simple infringement, which is not covered by this law.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Nocera</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/09/28/aaec-responds-to-passage-of-orphan-works-act/#comment-76713</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Nocera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 00:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yay! And I&#039;m not even a member, how cool is that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yay! And I&#8217;m not even a member, how cool is that?</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Stromoski</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/09/28/aaec-responds-to-passage-of-orphan-works-act/#comment-76703</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Stromoski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why canâ€™t the NCS create a database? &quot;

There&#039;s an unwritten standing policy in the NCS of whoever suggests the NCS create a program or institute an organizational directive, that the person who suggests the action then heads the committee and is in charge of it&#039;s implementation

Congratulations Jason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why canâ€™t the NCS create a database? &#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s an unwritten standing policy in the NCS of whoever suggests the NCS create a program or institute an organizational directive, that the person who suggests the action then heads the committee and is in charge of it&#8217;s implementation</p>
<p>Congratulations Jason.</p>
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		<title>By: Wiley Miller</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/09/28/aaec-responds-to-passage-of-orphan-works-act/#comment-76701</link>
		<dc:creator>Wiley Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why canâ€™t the NCS create a database? That way, they can allow all members to have there cartoons on there for free. In turn, they can charge the publishers/researchers/etc. looking for an image some type of a search fee.&quot;

This would be an undertaking far beyond the means of a fraternal organization such as the NCS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why canâ€™t the NCS create a database? That way, they can allow all members to have there cartoons on there for free. In turn, they can charge the publishers/researchers/etc. looking for an image some type of a search fee.&#8221;</p>
<p>This would be an undertaking far beyond the means of a fraternal organization such as the NCS.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Nocera</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/09/28/aaec-responds-to-passage-of-orphan-works-act/#comment-76698</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Nocera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why can&#039;t the NCS create a database? That way, they can allow all members to have there cartoons on there for free. In turn, they can charge the publishers/researchers/etc. looking for an image some type of a search fee. The money gained from this search fee can be used to maintain the website. That way, instead of the burden and cost being placed on a cartoonist, it can be placed on those doing the searching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why can&#8217;t the NCS create a database? That way, they can allow all members to have there cartoons on there for free. In turn, they can charge the publishers/researchers/etc. looking for an image some type of a search fee. The money gained from this search fee can be used to maintain the website. That way, instead of the burden and cost being placed on a cartoonist, it can be placed on those doing the searching.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Lester</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/09/28/aaec-responds-to-passage-of-orphan-works-act/#comment-76697</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Lester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could have done w/out the partisan reference to, &quot;USA-Patriot Act&quot; but overall an excellent letter and even better cause for us all to form a bucket line and put this sucker out.

And you&#039;re right:  This &quot;act of Congress&quot; to reign in &quot;BIG ART&quot; doesn&#039;t pass the smell test.  They&#039;ve paid no attention to our industry thus far.  Why all the sudden interest?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could have done w/out the partisan reference to, &#8220;USA-Patriot Act&#8221; but overall an excellent letter and even better cause for us all to form a bucket line and put this sucker out.</p>
<p>And you&#8217;re right:  This &#8220;act of Congress&#8221; to reign in &#8220;BIG ART&#8221; doesn&#8217;t pass the smell test.  They&#8217;ve paid no attention to our industry thus far.  Why all the sudden interest?</p>
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