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	<title>Comments on: Senate passes Orphan Works Act</title>
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		<title>By: Mike Peterson</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/09/27/senate-passes-orphan-works-act/#comment-76709</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the Mickey Mouse extension made American copyright law so ridiculously long that currently anything produced before the Great Depression is copyrighted.&quot;

Exactimundo. I have edited and repackaged some 19th century children&#039;s stories and poetry, including some terrific illustrations by HJ Ford and Charles Robinson, but I don&#039;t touch anything created after 1923 unless I can find a clear indication of copyright -- which is to say, for contemporary material, I either use government stuff like WPA photos and posters, I get permission, or I commission original art.

This is why I don&#039;t feel this law is a big deal -- any honest, competent archivist or anthologist or compiler is going to understand the situation and tread very, very, very, very cautiously in using any post-1923 material. The others are thieves and morons and will not jump through the necessary hoops to have their inappropriate use covered under the Orphan Works Act. They will not be protected and nothing at all will have changed in your ability to hang them by the heels and beat them with a baseball bat for stealing your material.

Read the act. You&#039;d have to be an idiot to think you could steal material and be protected by this (proposed) law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the Mickey Mouse extension made American copyright law so ridiculously long that currently anything produced before the Great Depression is copyrighted.&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactimundo. I have edited and repackaged some 19th century children&#8217;s stories and poetry, including some terrific illustrations by HJ Ford and Charles Robinson, but I don&#8217;t touch anything created after 1923 unless I can find a clear indication of copyright &#8212; which is to say, for contemporary material, I either use government stuff like WPA photos and posters, I get permission, or I commission original art.</p>
<p>This is why I don&#8217;t feel this law is a big deal &#8212; any honest, competent archivist or anthologist or compiler is going to understand the situation and tread very, very, very, very cautiously in using any post-1923 material. The others are thieves and morons and will not jump through the necessary hoops to have their inappropriate use covered under the Orphan Works Act. They will not be protected and nothing at all will have changed in your ability to hang them by the heels and beat them with a baseball bat for stealing your material.</p>
<p>Read the act. You&#8217;d have to be an idiot to think you could steal material and be protected by this (proposed) law.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike rhode</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike rhode</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 00:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking as someone on the other side of this issue (ie an archivist), the Mickey Mouse extension made American copyright law so ridiculously long that currently anything produced before the Great Depression is copyrighted. And it gets worse with the life of the artist plus 75 years. If that had been the case when the Bono act was passed, the Spanish-American War would still by under copyright! I&#039;m sympathetic to people who make a living by intellectual property, but when does the public good come in. (BTW, copyright is mentioned in the Constitution - &quot;To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.&quot; but the Supreme Court ruled that *limited* doesn&#039;t actually mean anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking as someone on the other side of this issue (ie an archivist), the Mickey Mouse extension made American copyright law so ridiculously long that currently anything produced before the Great Depression is copyrighted. And it gets worse with the life of the artist plus 75 years. If that had been the case when the Bono act was passed, the Spanish-American War would still by under copyright! I&#8217;m sympathetic to people who make a living by intellectual property, but when does the public good come in. (BTW, copyright is mentioned in the Constitution &#8211; &#8220;To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.&#8221; but the Supreme Court ruled that *limited* doesn&#8217;t actually mean anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Rall</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/09/27/senate-passes-orphan-works-act/#comment-76681</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Rall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 23:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, Mike. Speaking of which, the AAEC is declaring Wednesday to be a day during which cartoonists and their allies should blog about (hopefully against) the Orphan Works Act and encourage their readers to contact their Congressperson about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Mike. Speaking of which, the AAEC is declaring Wednesday to be a day during which cartoonists and their allies should blog about (hopefully against) the Orphan Works Act and encourage their readers to contact their Congressperson about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Lester</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Lester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 21:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buttonholed and talked to my Rep. Phil Gingry nose to nose recently and told him I&#039;d shoot him if he supported O.Works Bill.  I was immediately arrested.

Ted, the AAEC should be &quot;in their face&quot;. I&#039;ll help in any way possible because, as you know, nothing gets my juices flowing more than seeing libs like J.P., Wiley, Cagle and Ted  fighting for free market capitalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buttonholed and talked to my Rep. Phil Gingry nose to nose recently and told him I&#8217;d shoot him if he supported O.Works Bill.  I was immediately arrested.</p>
<p>Ted, the AAEC should be &#8220;in their face&#8221;. I&#8217;ll help in any way possible because, as you know, nothing gets my juices flowing more than seeing libs like J.P., Wiley, Cagle and Ted  fighting for free market capitalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth Cravens</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/09/27/senate-passes-orphan-works-act/#comment-76677</link>
		<dc:creator>Beth Cravens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks all for the info. I can see I&#039;m going to have to take this matter a little more seriously than I had been. I always keep my originals and make sure that they are signed, but I see that signing isn&#039;t as permanent as I thought.
Is there a low budget solution?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks all for the info. I can see I&#8217;m going to have to take this matter a little more seriously than I had been. I always keep my originals and make sure that they are signed, but I see that signing isn&#8217;t as permanent as I thought.<br />
Is there a low budget solution?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Peterson</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/09/27/senate-passes-orphan-works-act/#comment-76672</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The New York Times Week In Review section, for example, has the odd practice of deleting cartoonistsâ€™ signatures before running them in the paper.&quot;

&quot;Newsweek always photoshops out all signatures and identifying marks from the cartoons it reruns.&quot;

Well, now, see, THERE&#039;S your problem right there, fellers ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The New York Times Week In Review section, for example, has the odd practice of deleting cartoonistsâ€™ signatures before running them in the paper.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Newsweek always photoshops out all signatures and identifying marks from the cartoons it reruns.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, now, see, THERE&#8217;S your problem right there, fellers &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JP Trostle</title>
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		<dc:creator>JP Trostle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, while I disagree with you, I will say you are doing an excellent job as devil&#039;s advocate. :)

&gt;Second, sign your work.

To reinforce what Ted said, allow me to reference the recent Newsweek screw-up where they misidentified a Rob Rogers cartoon as drawn by &quot;Signe Wilkinson&quot; and vice-versa. This error could have been easily caught, except Newsweek &lt;i&gt;always&lt;/i&gt; photoshops out all signatures and identifying marks from the cartoons it reruns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, while I disagree with you, I will say you are doing an excellent job as devil&#8217;s advocate. :)</p>
<p>&gt;Second, sign your work.</p>
<p>To reinforce what Ted said, allow me to reference the recent Newsweek screw-up where they misidentified a Rob Rogers cartoon as drawn by &#8220;Signe Wilkinson&#8221; and vice-versa. This error could have been easily caught, except Newsweek <i>always</i> photoshops out all signatures and identifying marks from the cartoons it reruns.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Rall</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/09/27/senate-passes-orphan-works-act/#comment-76667</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Rall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Signing your work doesn&#039;t always help.

The New York Times Week In Review section, for example, has the odd practice of deleting cartoonists&#039; signatures before running them in the paper. 

It isn&#039;t hard to imagine a researcher finding a cartoon clipped out of the NYT, sans signature, and being unable to determine who drew it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Signing your work doesn&#8217;t always help.</p>
<p>The New York Times Week In Review section, for example, has the odd practice of deleting cartoonists&#8217; signatures before running them in the paper. </p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t hard to imagine a researcher finding a cartoon clipped out of the NYT, sans signature, and being unable to determine who drew it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Peterson</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/09/27/senate-passes-orphan-works-act/#comment-76663</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll grant you that it does make registering somewhere a smart act, but, if you publish works without a signature or copyright notice, that&#039;s a smart act anyway. But it is very clear that a diligent search, at a minimum, includes both Copyright Office records, a search of reasonably available sources of copyright authorship and ownership, use of available technologies, publications and licensor information, expert assistance and &quot;use of appropriate databases, including databases that are available to the public through the Internet.&quot;

I can already think of a couple of cartoonbanks that are searchable by topic, etc. This suggests two things to me (well, three if you count &quot;sign your work&quot;): (1) Set up a workable cooperative database and use appropriate tags so that artists&#039; work can be searched for. (2) Contact the Copyright Office and make sure your concerns are on record as they establish their benchmarks for a reasonable search -- which, according to their own statement, they will be able to update as problems surface.

After looking into this further, I can see it as a potential problem for commercial photographers, since their work may appear in advertisements or on brochures without attribution. If the picture is then lifted by a blogger and becomes widespread, it could be hard for a potential user to track down its origin. However, and to say it again, if, after a diligent search, the new user does not mark it as an &quot;orphaned work,&quot; they give up their rights to claim such use and would be in the same position as any infringer.

In any case, I&#039;ll spare everyone the additional bandwidth and let it go with these points: First, read the law itself carefully before you decide the threat level. Second, sign your work. Third, if you are concerned about this rather limited exception to existing rules, make it a habit of registering your work with the Copyright Office as people did in the Olden Days before copyright became automatic. And, finally, keep your professional associations active in communicating their concerns to the Copyright Office so that the requirements of a diligent search are updated to reflect changing technologies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll grant you that it does make registering somewhere a smart act, but, if you publish works without a signature or copyright notice, that&#8217;s a smart act anyway. But it is very clear that a diligent search, at a minimum, includes both Copyright Office records, a search of reasonably available sources of copyright authorship and ownership, use of available technologies, publications and licensor information, expert assistance and &#8220;use of appropriate databases, including databases that are available to the public through the Internet.&#8221;</p>
<p>I can already think of a couple of cartoonbanks that are searchable by topic, etc. This suggests two things to me (well, three if you count &#8220;sign your work&#8221;): (1) Set up a workable cooperative database and use appropriate tags so that artists&#8217; work can be searched for. (2) Contact the Copyright Office and make sure your concerns are on record as they establish their benchmarks for a reasonable search &#8212; which, according to their own statement, they will be able to update as problems surface.</p>
<p>After looking into this further, I can see it as a potential problem for commercial photographers, since their work may appear in advertisements or on brochures without attribution. If the picture is then lifted by a blogger and becomes widespread, it could be hard for a potential user to track down its origin. However, and to say it again, if, after a diligent search, the new user does not mark it as an &#8220;orphaned work,&#8221; they give up their rights to claim such use and would be in the same position as any infringer.</p>
<p>In any case, I&#8217;ll spare everyone the additional bandwidth and let it go with these points: First, read the law itself carefully before you decide the threat level. Second, sign your work. Third, if you are concerned about this rather limited exception to existing rules, make it a habit of registering your work with the Copyright Office as people did in the Olden Days before copyright became automatic. And, finally, keep your professional associations active in communicating their concerns to the Copyright Office so that the requirements of a diligent search are updated to reflect changing technologies.</p>
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		<title>By: JP Trostle</title>
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		<dc:creator>JP Trostle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 05:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apologies -- in rereading my post I see that sentence wasn&#039;t entirely clear, and maybe a bit oversimplified. However, it doesn&#039;t change my point.

There is nothing in the proposed law that says they have to use &lt;i&gt;more&lt;/i&gt; than one database, or all of them. (And how many are there going to be? One? Three? Ten? I can&#039;t answer Daryl&#039;s question about certification or thresholds because nobody knows -- it isn&#039;t addressed in the legislation.)

What I mean is, say Google does a search on PicScout (one of the real companies hoping to benefit from the Orphan Works Act) ... but you&#039;ve registered all your artwork with another firm, say Brand Ecch (or whatever they&#039;re called before they get bought out by Microsoft). Google could still argue they looked on one of the accepted databases and couldn&#039;t anything -- it&#039;s not their fault you didn&#039;t didn&#039;t register there. But so what.

The point is, it&#039;s the very existence of the registries that&#039;s the problem. International copyright laws (which we&#039;re part of unless this thing passes) prohibit registries because of the undo burden it places on individuals and small businesses.

You&#039;re right -- this bill doesn&#039;t specifically state that artists must register with a database; the market will do that, with increased pressure to sign your stuff up or risk having it declared &#039;orphaned.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies &#8212; in rereading my post I see that sentence wasn&#8217;t entirely clear, and maybe a bit oversimplified. However, it doesn&#8217;t change my point.</p>
<p>There is nothing in the proposed law that says they have to use <i>more</i> than one database, or all of them. (And how many are there going to be? One? Three? Ten? I can&#8217;t answer Daryl&#8217;s question about certification or thresholds because nobody knows &#8212; it isn&#8217;t addressed in the legislation.)</p>
<p>What I mean is, say Google does a search on PicScout (one of the real companies hoping to benefit from the Orphan Works Act) &#8230; but you&#8217;ve registered all your artwork with another firm, say Brand Ecch (or whatever they&#8217;re called before they get bought out by Microsoft). Google could still argue they looked on one of the accepted databases and couldn&#8217;t anything &#8212; it&#8217;s not their fault you didn&#8217;t didn&#8217;t register there. But so what.</p>
<p>The point is, it&#8217;s the very existence of the registries that&#8217;s the problem. International copyright laws (which we&#8217;re part of unless this thing passes) prohibit registries because of the undo burden it places on individuals and small businesses.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right &#8212; this bill doesn&#8217;t specifically state that artists must register with a database; the market will do that, with increased pressure to sign your stuff up or risk having it declared &#8216;orphaned.&#8217;</p>
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