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		<title>By: Chris Fournier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Fournier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 15:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Norm, first off I&#039;ve been following Retail for quite awhile, ever since it&#039;s been in the Toronto Star...a great strip which brings back memories of my time in retail. Nice work!

Secondly, I really like what you&#039;re doing with Gill.  Here&#039;s a kid experiencing a less than idyllic childhood with a mom who&#039;s trying to keep it all together and a dad who couldn&#039;t care less.  

I truly think this will resonate with a lot of readers, which unfortunately, is probably the reason the syndicates aren&#039;t picking it up.  

Look at the families in the comics now and in the recent past...I honestly can&#039;t think of one family that is dysfunctional or divorced. FBorFW - still intact, Hi and Lois (the same), Calvin and Hobbes (ditto), Foxtrot (ditto), Zits.  

Divorce is a touchy subject and by adding a &#039;dead-beat dad&#039; to the equation you&#039;re addressing a part of reality that I think the mainstream newspaper editor would rather sweep under the rug which is a shame because readers are truly going to miss out on a gem of a strip.

If syndication is something you want to go after my suggestion is to take the alcohol and cigarettes away from the strip.... the heart of the strip is about a child, alcohol and cigarettes shouldn&#039;t be mixed in.  It&#039;s one thing in an adults-only based strip but when kids are involved it&#039;s not a good mix.

There&#039;s a lot of heart and soul in &quot;Gill&quot;! I wish you all the best with it, I know I&#039;ll be reading it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Norm, first off I&#8217;ve been following Retail for quite awhile, ever since it&#8217;s been in the Toronto Star&#8230;a great strip which brings back memories of my time in retail. Nice work!</p>
<p>Secondly, I really like what you&#8217;re doing with Gill.  Here&#8217;s a kid experiencing a less than idyllic childhood with a mom who&#8217;s trying to keep it all together and a dad who couldn&#8217;t care less.  </p>
<p>I truly think this will resonate with a lot of readers, which unfortunately, is probably the reason the syndicates aren&#8217;t picking it up.  </p>
<p>Look at the families in the comics now and in the recent past&#8230;I honestly can&#8217;t think of one family that is dysfunctional or divorced. FBorFW &#8211; still intact, Hi and Lois (the same), Calvin and Hobbes (ditto), Foxtrot (ditto), Zits.  </p>
<p>Divorce is a touchy subject and by adding a &#8216;dead-beat dad&#8217; to the equation you&#8217;re addressing a part of reality that I think the mainstream newspaper editor would rather sweep under the rug which is a shame because readers are truly going to miss out on a gem of a strip.</p>
<p>If syndication is something you want to go after my suggestion is to take the alcohol and cigarettes away from the strip&#8230;. the heart of the strip is about a child, alcohol and cigarettes shouldn&#8217;t be mixed in.  It&#8217;s one thing in an adults-only based strip but when kids are involved it&#8217;s not a good mix.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot of heart and soul in &#8220;Gill&#8221;! I wish you all the best with it, I know I&#8217;ll be reading it!</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Power</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Power</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Give Gill a friend in the trailer park that his mother doesnâ€™t want him hanging out with, who has a criminal record and a friend covered in tats and piercings, that smokes a ton of weed.&quot;

Yeah...and make him younger then Gill! :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Give Gill a friend in the trailer park that his mother doesnâ€™t want him hanging out with, who has a criminal record and a friend covered in tats and piercings, that smokes a ton of weed.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah&#8230;and make him younger then Gill! :D</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Wohlrab</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Wohlrab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The fact that youâ€™re at the center of his world with him and seeing him sort through it allâ€¦ has incredible depth and dimension. What more interest and appeal do you need than that?&quot;

 If you&#039;re going to go real, and have nothing enchanting like a   talking animal or toys that come to life,  Give Gill a friend in the trailer park that his mother doesn&#039;t want him hanging out with, who has a criminal record and a friend covered in tats and piercings, that smokes a ton of  weed.
  Perhaps they want Gill to sell it, but Gill being an innocent, doesn&#039;t know what it is that he is selling, and he gets arrested for it. 

Explore the trailer park. Have there be some really seedy characters vs good characters that Gill Runs into.  
This already got rejected by two syndicates, so it&#039;s not just me saying it&#039;s lacking in something. It&#039;ll have  a life as a web comic, but if you&#039;re going to do something, you might as well go all the way.   I&#039;m more of a story guy, and these kinds of things are hard to chop up into individual gags, I know...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The fact that youâ€™re at the center of his world with him and seeing him sort through it allâ€¦ has incredible depth and dimension. What more interest and appeal do you need than that?&#8221;</p>
<p> If you&#8217;re going to go real, and have nothing enchanting like a   talking animal or toys that come to life,  Give Gill a friend in the trailer park that his mother doesn&#8217;t want him hanging out with, who has a criminal record and a friend covered in tats and piercings, that smokes a ton of  weed.<br />
  Perhaps they want Gill to sell it, but Gill being an innocent, doesn&#8217;t know what it is that he is selling, and he gets arrested for it. </p>
<p>Explore the trailer park. Have there be some really seedy characters vs good characters that Gill Runs into.<br />
This already got rejected by two syndicates, so it&#8217;s not just me saying it&#8217;s lacking in something. It&#8217;ll have  a life as a web comic, but if you&#8217;re going to do something, you might as well go all the way.   I&#8217;m more of a story guy, and these kinds of things are hard to chop up into individual gags, I know&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Garey Mckee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garey Mckee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 22:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I especially enjoy the character design. For me, itâ€™s the writing that just seems off at this point.&quot;

I would imagine that the writing in Gill would fall into place after a while.  It&#039;s difficult to judge the writing in samples (unless it&#039;s just so stellar it just stands out from the get go).  The best writing is character driven, and if Gill were picked up and continued I believe the characters would naturally hit their stride and the writing would shift from simple set ups to more complex character driven writing.  Through exposure to Norm&#039;s other great work I&#039;m sure this would be the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I especially enjoy the character design. For me, itâ€™s the writing that just seems off at this point.&#8221;</p>
<p>I would imagine that the writing in Gill would fall into place after a while.  It&#8217;s difficult to judge the writing in samples (unless it&#8217;s just so stellar it just stands out from the get go).  The best writing is character driven, and if Gill were picked up and continued I believe the characters would naturally hit their stride and the writing would shift from simple set ups to more complex character driven writing.  Through exposure to Norm&#8217;s other great work I&#8217;m sure this would be the case.</p>
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		<title>By: frank white</title>
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		<dc:creator>frank white</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 13:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody needs Comics.com or GoComics anymore.Just get your own site and make more money and have less ( 0r no) internal competition as well. Go for it Norm and good luck!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody needs Comics.com or GoComics anymore.Just get your own site and make more money and have less ( 0r no) internal competition as well. Go for it Norm and good luck!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Burke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Burke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 02:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always enjoyed your art, Norm, from &lt;i&gt;World of Wonder&lt;/i&gt; to &lt;i&gt;Retail&lt;/i&gt;, and I enjoy the art in &lt;i&gt;Gill&lt;/i&gt;. I especially enjoy the character design. For me, it&#039;s the writing that just seems off at this point.
 
Maybe more Gill and less parents, especially in the beginning? I think the best strips are with Gill alone and with the girl, whose design I love! She looks like an anorexic Minnie Mouse! I like the dad, but for a dead beat dad he seems to be around too much...maybe play up the dead beat aspect more?  

The strip on the swing was good...until Gill&#039;s response was as mean as the taunting kids. I like Gill&#039;s &quot;Charlie Brown quality&quot;. Maybe instead Gill thinks &quot;...but the world would probably just crush me with a bear hug&quot;...along those lines...

I&#039;d love to see this strip grow online and maybe stay online. You already have a strip in papers that has fans in print and online, where your web prescence continues to grow. Why not build on that?

So many other webcomics of equal and lesser quality are making $$ online, why can&#039;t &lt;i&gt;Gill&lt;/i&gt;?  I&#039;m often surprised when I read that certain webcomics are making money  when I see the product. Not every strip can be a &lt;i&gt;PvP&lt;/i&gt; or &lt;i&gt;Sheldon&lt;/i&gt; in terms of quality, but seriously...

Don&#039;t dumb down the humor. There&#039;s enough of that already. Keep up the good work...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always enjoyed your art, Norm, from <i>World of Wonder</i> to <i>Retail</i>, and I enjoy the art in <i>Gill</i>. I especially enjoy the character design. For me, it&#8217;s the writing that just seems off at this point.</p>
<p>Maybe more Gill and less parents, especially in the beginning? I think the best strips are with Gill alone and with the girl, whose design I love! She looks like an anorexic Minnie Mouse! I like the dad, but for a dead beat dad he seems to be around too much&#8230;maybe play up the dead beat aspect more?  </p>
<p>The strip on the swing was good&#8230;until Gill&#8217;s response was as mean as the taunting kids. I like Gill&#8217;s &#8220;Charlie Brown quality&#8221;. Maybe instead Gill thinks &#8220;&#8230;but the world would probably just crush me with a bear hug&#8221;&#8230;along those lines&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to see this strip grow online and maybe stay online. You already have a strip in papers that has fans in print and online, where your web prescence continues to grow. Why not build on that?</p>
<p>So many other webcomics of equal and lesser quality are making $$ online, why can&#8217;t <i>Gill</i>?  I&#8217;m often surprised when I read that certain webcomics are making money  when I see the product. Not every strip can be a <i>PvP</i> or <i>Sheldon</i> in terms of quality, but seriously&#8230;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t dumb down the humor. There&#8217;s enough of that already. Keep up the good work&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Lutz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Lutz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 23:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Norm, this is what&#039;s needed on the comics page today. It reminds me a lot of my childhood, and I knew other kids like this. Please keep striving to get this syndicated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Norm, this is what&#8217;s needed on the comics page today. It reminds me a lot of my childhood, and I knew other kids like this. Please keep striving to get this syndicated.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Buford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Buford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 20:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent stuff! I love the bleakness. The artwork is astonishing. I wish I could draw as well as Norm. I hope he gets a bite from the other syndicates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent stuff! I love the bleakness. The artwork is astonishing. I wish I could draw as well as Norm. I hope he gets a bite from the other syndicates.</p>
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		<title>By: Norm Feuti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norm Feuti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 20:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to everyone here who chimed in with feedback.  The praise has been very kind and the criticisms thoughtful.

&lt;i&gt;Gill&lt;/i&gt; is an idea I&#039;ve been kicking around for some time.  Overall, I have to admit that I have always suspected the subject matter would make it a tough sell for syndication.  

Since getting all this feedback I have seriously started to wonder what I would do if an editor &lt;i&gt;did&lt;/i&gt; want to pick it up.  Would I be willing to dumb it down?  It couldn&#039;t be censored much (if at all) before it ceased to be interesting.  I don&#039;t think so anyway.  It&#039;s a real catch 22.  

Since there were multiple comments on it, I did want to mention that Gill&#039;s design is intentional in that visually I wanted to make him sort of the anti-comic strip kid ... if that makes sense.  I didn&#039;t want him to be a generic cute kid with a baseball cap.  I understand that it isn&#039;t working for some of you, but just so you know where I was going with it.

Anyway, thank you all so much for the comments.  Between here and my blog I&#039;ve gotten a lot of food for thought.  I&#039;ll be sure to let everyone know what happens with &lt;i&gt;Gill&lt;/i&gt; in the near future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to everyone here who chimed in with feedback.  The praise has been very kind and the criticisms thoughtful.</p>
<p><i>Gill</i> is an idea I&#8217;ve been kicking around for some time.  Overall, I have to admit that I have always suspected the subject matter would make it a tough sell for syndication.  </p>
<p>Since getting all this feedback I have seriously started to wonder what I would do if an editor <i>did</i> want to pick it up.  Would I be willing to dumb it down?  It couldn&#8217;t be censored much (if at all) before it ceased to be interesting.  I don&#8217;t think so anyway.  It&#8217;s a real catch 22.  </p>
<p>Since there were multiple comments on it, I did want to mention that Gill&#8217;s design is intentional in that visually I wanted to make him sort of the anti-comic strip kid &#8230; if that makes sense.  I didn&#8217;t want him to be a generic cute kid with a baseball cap.  I understand that it isn&#8217;t working for some of you, but just so you know where I was going with it.</p>
<p>Anyway, thank you all so much for the comments.  Between here and my blog I&#8217;ve gotten a lot of food for thought.  I&#8217;ll be sure to let everyone know what happens with <i>Gill</i> in the near future.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Ellis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love how this comes out swinging! I have to admit that my first &quot;visual&quot; impression of Gill was the moronic bully stereotype but I was pleased to have the writing take me to a totally different place. Wow! Someone who looks like a doofy stereotypical dumb bully that might actually be &quot;more&quot; than just a doofy stereotypical dumb bully.

â€œThatâ€™s what this strip needs, a character more appealing than Dudley/Gill who is at odds with him in some wayâ€

WRONG. I agree there&#039;s no problem with having a secondary character to challenge the protagonist but with Gill you&#039;ve got a kid on his path of discovery. He wants to understand things. He&#039;s asking Shandra questions and trying to get the information from his Dad sorted out through his Mom. He knows the things that are important to him [Star Wars vs Dance] and we see that he can get his feelings hurt.
The fact that you&#039;re at the center of his world with him and seeing him sort through it all... has incredible depth and dimension. What more interest and appeal do you need than that?

Could the formula of these initial 24 work forever? It might, but that guarantees it will be as stagnant as lasagna loving cats. I love the potential of this strip.

Norm has now won over a fan that is now going to start looking more closely at his other projects.

Best of luck, Norm!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love how this comes out swinging! I have to admit that my first &#8220;visual&#8221; impression of Gill was the moronic bully stereotype but I was pleased to have the writing take me to a totally different place. Wow! Someone who looks like a doofy stereotypical dumb bully that might actually be &#8220;more&#8221; than just a doofy stereotypical dumb bully.</p>
<p>â€œThatâ€™s what this strip needs, a character more appealing than Dudley/Gill who is at odds with him in some wayâ€</p>
<p>WRONG. I agree there&#8217;s no problem with having a secondary character to challenge the protagonist but with Gill you&#8217;ve got a kid on his path of discovery. He wants to understand things. He&#8217;s asking Shandra questions and trying to get the information from his Dad sorted out through his Mom. He knows the things that are important to him [Star Wars vs Dance] and we see that he can get his feelings hurt.<br />
The fact that you&#8217;re at the center of his world with him and seeing him sort through it all&#8230; has incredible depth and dimension. What more interest and appeal do you need than that?</p>
<p>Could the formula of these initial 24 work forever? It might, but that guarantees it will be as stagnant as lasagna loving cats. I love the potential of this strip.</p>
<p>Norm has now won over a fan that is now going to start looking more closely at his other projects.</p>
<p>Best of luck, Norm!</p>
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