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	<title>Comments on: David Silverman wins Animation Feature Award</title>
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		<title>By: Alan Gardner</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/05/24/david-silverman-wins-animation-feature-award/#comment-73964</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 14:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think all that needs to be said has been said. Comments closed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think all that needs to be said has been said. Comments closed.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Stromoski</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/05/24/david-silverman-wins-animation-feature-award/#comment-73962</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Stromoski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 14:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So now anyone who stands up and espouses an opinion is a â€œbullyâ€? Youâ€™re living in a country that invaded and murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent people on the premise of a lie told by a President you voted in to office twice. I would venture to suggest you donâ€™t know what a bully is.&quot;


Hitler.


Just thought I&#039;d help along the complete digression of this thread. We&#039;d have eventually gotten there anyway...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So now anyone who stands up and espouses an opinion is a â€œbullyâ€? Youâ€™re living in a country that invaded and murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent people on the premise of a lie told by a President you voted in to office twice. I would venture to suggest you donâ€™t know what a bully is.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hitler.</p>
<p>Just thought I&#8217;d help along the complete digression of this thread. We&#8217;d have eventually gotten there anyway&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Malc McGookin</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/05/24/david-silverman-wins-animation-feature-award/#comment-73960</link>
		<dc:creator>Malc McGookin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 14:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure they&#039;re thrilled to have your support, Dawn. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;re thrilled to have your support, Dawn. ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn Douglass</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/05/24/david-silverman-wins-animation-feature-award/#comment-73959</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawn Douglass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 13:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;For the past several months, heâ€™s been spitting venom&quot;

Make that years.  

And, yes, I&#039;m sure the laughter and applause were deafening.

Don&#039;t take it personally, David.  If you knew the source, you probably wouldn&#039;t even have bothered to respond.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For the past several months, heâ€™s been spitting venom&#8221;</p>
<p>Make that years.  </p>
<p>And, yes, I&#8217;m sure the laughter and applause were deafening.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t take it personally, David.  If you knew the source, you probably wouldn&#8217;t even have bothered to respond.</p>
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		<title>By: Malc McGookin</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/05/24/david-silverman-wins-animation-feature-award/#comment-73958</link>
		<dc:creator>Malc McGookin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 13:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil,
If it&#039;s done wrong, yes you&#039;ll spot it, but it isn&#039;t hard to do it right.

No, you don&#039;t go &quot;looking though all the different talking heads, trying to find the right one&quot;.

In the old days of cel animation we kept all the talking heads in boxed titled by character (DMR = &quot;Dangermouse Facing Right&quot;, for instance). Pre-animating them ahead of time (sometimes months) meant that more time could be put into making the animation smooth, and the head tilts, subtle twists, dips, extremes and settles were all coded so that the person writing the dope sheet simply used the code supplied via a model sheet - they didn&#039;t even have to see the cels, they knew what each letter meant and could split off mouths and eyeblinks to order.
This became a specialist job given to someone who understood animation but perhaps couldn&#039;t draw or animate. One person could do a whole half hour episode themselves in a couple of days to a week, depending on how many talking heads were storyboarded. These scenes were used not only on an episode but throughout a whole series.
The dope sheets (camera exposure charts) then went to rostrum camera and the cameraman did his stuff, shooting as required.

Nowadays with a totally digitized system  such as Toonboom, Animo, USA, whatever, the process is infinitely more easy, the talking heads (or mid shots, or whatever) are archived on a drive, with hard copy reference for compositors to use. No new layouts, no storyboard pics needed - an animation director can cut 20% of animation and costs at a stroke by going through a board and redlining code names for scenes which the boarder had originally planned new animation.

Only if a character&#039;s appearance is changed during one episode will he/she need to be animated from scratch

No-one wants to see a whole episode of talking heads, or even two characters standing face to face blathering, but South Park does fine even though it contains vast amounts of jiggling heads and acres of dialogue and virtually nothing else. The funny scripts and entertaining voicework carries TV animation, NOT the animation itself. 
Pre-planning the talking heads frees the animators up for doing the broader animated, more enjoyable work.
The Chinese studios we used rejected the concept of pre-planned animation. They would insist on re-animating EVERY scene, no stock scenes or library work. Why? because they wanted to make sure their animators were WORKING for the pittance they were paid. They slept under their desks, they were working so many hours, and the next shift guy would slot into the seat above him to keep on working. 

It doesn&#039;t have to be that way, and you seriously question the minds that can&#039;t, or won&#039;t see a way round it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil,<br />
If it&#8217;s done wrong, yes you&#8217;ll spot it, but it isn&#8217;t hard to do it right.</p>
<p>No, you don&#8217;t go &#8220;looking though all the different talking heads, trying to find the right one&#8221;.</p>
<p>In the old days of cel animation we kept all the talking heads in boxed titled by character (DMR = &#8220;Dangermouse Facing Right&#8221;, for instance). Pre-animating them ahead of time (sometimes months) meant that more time could be put into making the animation smooth, and the head tilts, subtle twists, dips, extremes and settles were all coded so that the person writing the dope sheet simply used the code supplied via a model sheet &#8211; they didn&#8217;t even have to see the cels, they knew what each letter meant and could split off mouths and eyeblinks to order.<br />
This became a specialist job given to someone who understood animation but perhaps couldn&#8217;t draw or animate. One person could do a whole half hour episode themselves in a couple of days to a week, depending on how many talking heads were storyboarded. These scenes were used not only on an episode but throughout a whole series.<br />
The dope sheets (camera exposure charts) then went to rostrum camera and the cameraman did his stuff, shooting as required.</p>
<p>Nowadays with a totally digitized system  such as Toonboom, Animo, USA, whatever, the process is infinitely more easy, the talking heads (or mid shots, or whatever) are archived on a drive, with hard copy reference for compositors to use. No new layouts, no storyboard pics needed &#8211; an animation director can cut 20% of animation and costs at a stroke by going through a board and redlining code names for scenes which the boarder had originally planned new animation.</p>
<p>Only if a character&#8217;s appearance is changed during one episode will he/she need to be animated from scratch</p>
<p>No-one wants to see a whole episode of talking heads, or even two characters standing face to face blathering, but South Park does fine even though it contains vast amounts of jiggling heads and acres of dialogue and virtually nothing else. The funny scripts and entertaining voicework carries TV animation, NOT the animation itself.<br />
Pre-planning the talking heads frees the animators up for doing the broader animated, more enjoyable work.<br />
The Chinese studios we used rejected the concept of pre-planned animation. They would insist on re-animating EVERY scene, no stock scenes or library work. Why? because they wanted to make sure their animators were WORKING for the pittance they were paid. They slept under their desks, they were working so many hours, and the next shift guy would slot into the seat above him to keep on working. </p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t have to be that way, and you seriously question the minds that can&#8217;t, or won&#8217;t see a way round it.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Wohlrab</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/05/24/david-silverman-wins-animation-feature-award/#comment-73956</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Wohlrab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 12:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know just how well an animation library would work. I could see it being used in the Jetsons when rosie the robot babbles mindlessly. But when a characters head doesn&#039;t move for a timea and lips are flapping... If I caught the simpsons doing this, I&#039;d think it was a gag about cheap animation.
  How long is the close up of a talking head going to last, on say Homer, before something new happens?   If his expressions aren&#039;t directly related to what he&#039;s saying, I bet it quickly starts to look like crap in under 3 seconds.

Could it be that looking though all the different talking heads, trying to find the right one might take longer than just drawing it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know just how well an animation library would work. I could see it being used in the Jetsons when rosie the robot babbles mindlessly. But when a characters head doesn&#8217;t move for a timea and lips are flapping&#8230; If I caught the simpsons doing this, I&#8217;d think it was a gag about cheap animation.<br />
  How long is the close up of a talking head going to last, on say Homer, before something new happens?   If his expressions aren&#8217;t directly related to what he&#8217;s saying, I bet it quickly starts to look like crap in under 3 seconds.</p>
<p>Could it be that looking though all the different talking heads, trying to find the right one might take longer than just drawing it?</p>
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		<title>By: Malc McGookin</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/05/24/david-silverman-wins-animation-feature-award/#comment-73955</link>
		<dc:creator>Malc McGookin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 11:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry,
I&#039;ve never heard of you, but it gives me a great deal of pleasure to know that I p*ss you (and anyone unfortunate enough to be like you) off.

So now anyone who stands up and espouses an opinion is a &quot;bully&quot;? You&#039;re living in a country that invaded and murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent people on the premise of a lie told by a President you voted in to office twice. I would venture to suggest you don&#039;t know what a bully is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry,<br />
I&#8217;ve never heard of you, but it gives me a great deal of pleasure to know that I p*ss you (and anyone unfortunate enough to be like you) off.</p>
<p>So now anyone who stands up and espouses an opinion is a &#8220;bully&#8221;? You&#8217;re living in a country that invaded and murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent people on the premise of a lie told by a President you voted in to office twice. I would venture to suggest you don&#8217;t know what a bully is.</p>
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		<title>By: Malc McGookin</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/05/24/david-silverman-wins-animation-feature-award/#comment-73954</link>
		<dc:creator>Malc McGookin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 11:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick, 
Our friend David says he&#039;s been after more money from &quot;Rupert Murdock&quot; (who he?) for years. It might have helped had he spelled Roop&#039;s name right, but when Rupert Murdoch finds out someone has been wasting millions a year re-drawing and animating the same talking heads, you&#039;ll see who&#039;s in a hole.

To put it in layman&#039;s terms, it&#039;s the equivalent of not copy-pasting huge chunks of text, but instead choosing to type it all out again.

Gosh, I hope the URL of this thread doesn&#039;t make its way mysteriously to Mr Murdoch&#039;s Inbox.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick,<br />
Our friend David says he&#8217;s been after more money from &#8220;Rupert Murdock&#8221; (who he?) for years. It might have helped had he spelled Roop&#8217;s name right, but when Rupert Murdoch finds out someone has been wasting millions a year re-drawing and animating the same talking heads, you&#8217;ll see who&#8217;s in a hole.</p>
<p>To put it in layman&#8217;s terms, it&#8217;s the equivalent of not copy-pasting huge chunks of text, but instead choosing to type it all out again.</p>
<p>Gosh, I hope the URL of this thread doesn&#8217;t make its way mysteriously to Mr Murdoch&#8217;s Inbox.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Lopes</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/05/24/david-silverman-wins-animation-feature-award/#comment-73953</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Lopes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 11:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did anyone else go deaf from the thundering applause after someone finally slapped Malc Macgookin&#039;s smarmy face with the cold glove of enlightenment? Nothing&#039;s better than when the bully gets punched in the nads. 

Bravo, Mr. Silverman, you&#039;re a true talent. And don&#039;t pay any heed to Magookin&#039;s comments. For the past several months, he&#039;s been spitting venom at any tourist who walks by his cage with a better-looking snack bar than his. Petty is as petty does.

You deserve every award you get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone else go deaf from the thundering applause after someone finally slapped Malc Macgookin&#8217;s smarmy face with the cold glove of enlightenment? Nothing&#8217;s better than when the bully gets punched in the nads. </p>
<p>Bravo, Mr. Silverman, you&#8217;re a true talent. And don&#8217;t pay any heed to Magookin&#8217;s comments. For the past several months, he&#8217;s been spitting venom at any tourist who walks by his cage with a better-looking snack bar than his. Petty is as petty does.</p>
<p>You deserve every award you get.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Stromoski</title>
		<link>http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2008/05/24/david-silverman-wins-animation-feature-award/#comment-73952</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Stromoski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 11:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;&gt;No wonder you have people working overtime. Do you have your cleaners sweep the carpet with toothbrushes too?

Wow...

There&#039;s an old saying...&quot;When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;No wonder you have people working overtime. Do you have your cleaners sweep the carpet with toothbrushes too?</p>
<p>Wow&#8230;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s an old saying&#8230;&#8221;When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.&#8221;</p>
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