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	<title>Comments on: Edison Lee begins 4 week trial at Winston-Salem Journal</title>
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		<title>By: JeffM</title>
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		<dc:creator>JeffM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Anne and John,

Good luck with your run in NC. Hope your recent visit to the JG (and my emails to them) will result in them adding Edison to their line up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Anne and John,</p>
<p>Good luck with your run in NC. Hope your recent visit to the JG (and my emails to them) will result in them adding Edison to their line up.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Burke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Burke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say keep writing the toons that &quot;offend&quot;(in the thought provoking sense, NOT raciist, sexist,etc) peeps because that&#039;s the part of your audience that will read &lt;i&gt;Edison&lt;/i&gt; more often. 

There&#039;s a scene in &lt;i&gt;Private Parts&lt;/i&gt; where the radio heads are talking about how long &lt;i&gt;fans&lt;/i&gt; of Howard Stern listen to his show v. how long peeps that &lt;i&gt;hate&lt;/i&gt; his show listen, and the haters listened almost twice as long!

Now...I&#039;m not saying that you should introduce Butt-Bongo, the Wheel of Sex, or perverse song parodies into &lt;i&gt;Edison Lee&lt;/i&gt;, but just keep doing what you&#039;re doing, let the strip develop naturally and let the praise and criticism fall where they fall...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say keep writing the toons that &#8220;offend&#8221;(in the thought provoking sense, NOT raciist, sexist,etc) peeps because that&#8217;s the part of your audience that will read <i>Edison</i> more often. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a scene in <i>Private Parts</i> where the radio heads are talking about how long <i>fans</i> of Howard Stern listen to his show v. how long peeps that <i>hate</i> his show listen, and the haters listened almost twice as long!</p>
<p>Now&#8230;I&#8217;m not saying that you should introduce Butt-Bongo, the Wheel of Sex, or perverse song parodies into <i>Edison Lee</i>, but just keep doing what you&#8217;re doing, let the strip develop naturally and let the praise and criticism fall where they fall&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn Douglass</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn Douglass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Also history is littered with comic kids who donâ€™t talk like kids (Milo Bloom to name one)and - dare I say it - animals that donâ€™t behave like animals. And also donâ€™t talk like animals - if animals could talk.&quot;

Lee Salem has always said if an animal character doesn&#039;t keep some of the animal&#039;s traits, then there is no sense in having it be an animal at all, that it would be better to be a person.  Guess I&#039;m in that same camp.

&quot;Itâ€™s just that some authors tick people off more than others. I would say that the points John makes in his strip are bound to tick some people off simply because he made them - thatâ€™s never going to change.&quot;

Well, that&#039;s true, but I wasn&#039;t dealing at all with the politics, but just keeping an authentic voice from the character&#039;s point of view.  Of course, every writer has something to say, but it has to be done through one&#039;s characters, which always imposes limitations.
That&#039;s why strips are trickier and much harder to write well than gag panels or editorial cartoons...strips must be character driven in order to be really good.  Your strip is especially tricky because he&#039;s a genius, and there will naturally be a tendency to think he can say anything.

Anyway, I didn&#039;t mean to offend.  You obviously have a strong view of your character and that&#039;s what&#039;s important.  It&#039;s a good strip with lots of promise.  I wish you much success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Also history is littered with comic kids who donâ€™t talk like kids (Milo Bloom to name one)and &#8211; dare I say it &#8211; animals that donâ€™t behave like animals. And also donâ€™t talk like animals &#8211; if animals could talk.&#8221;</p>
<p>Lee Salem has always said if an animal character doesn&#8217;t keep some of the animal&#8217;s traits, then there is no sense in having it be an animal at all, that it would be better to be a person.  Guess I&#8217;m in that same camp.</p>
<p>&#8220;Itâ€™s just that some authors tick people off more than others. I would say that the points John makes in his strip are bound to tick some people off simply because he made them &#8211; thatâ€™s never going to change.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, that&#8217;s true, but I wasn&#8217;t dealing at all with the politics, but just keeping an authentic voice from the character&#8217;s point of view.  Of course, every writer has something to say, but it has to be done through one&#8217;s characters, which always imposes limitations.<br />
That&#8217;s why strips are trickier and much harder to write well than gag panels or editorial cartoons&#8230;strips must be character driven in order to be really good.  Your strip is especially tricky because he&#8217;s a genius, and there will naturally be a tendency to think he can say anything.</p>
<p>Anyway, I didn&#8217;t mean to offend.  You obviously have a strong view of your character and that&#8217;s what&#8217;s important.  It&#8217;s a good strip with lots of promise.  I wish you much success.</p>
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		<title>By: Garey Mckee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garey Mckee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;John has always been aware that a daily strip is a much trickier platform from which to make a point, but both he and I enjoy the challenge. He did not get into cartooning just to make a living drawing cute characters. He had things he wanted to say and he is saying them.&quot;

The voice of a strip and how it is written is much more important than the art in the strip.  Heck, a great strip can be drawn with stick figures if it has a valid point to make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;John has always been aware that a daily strip is a much trickier platform from which to make a point, but both he and I enjoy the challenge. He did not get into cartooning just to make a living drawing cute characters. He had things he wanted to say and he is saying them.&#8221;</p>
<p>The voice of a strip and how it is written is much more important than the art in the strip.  Heck, a great strip can be drawn with stick figures if it has a valid point to make.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Hambrock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne Hambrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dawn while I respect your opinion and your instincts, I happen to have given birth to a son who talks like that and has since he was 8. Also history is littered with comic kids who don&#039;t talk like kids (Milo Bloom to name one)and  - dare I say it - animals that don&#039;t behave like animals. And also don&#039;t talk like animals - if animals could talk. Every comic strip character represents a voice of the author. It&#039;s just that some authors tick people off more than others. I would say that the points John makes in his strip are bound to tick some people off simply because he made them - that&#039;s never going to change. What may change, and to some degree already has,  is the bluntness of the point to be made.  

A comic strip that includes political commentary has to walk a much finer line, apparently, than an editorial cartoon. Many editorial cartoons that I read regularly are far more blunt than Edison without catching heat for it  in this forum. John has always been aware that a daily strip is a much trickier platform from which to make a point, but both he and I enjoy the challenge.  He did not get into cartooning just to make a living drawing cute characters. He had things he wanted to say and he is saying them. 

I have taken note of  the comments made here because it is a forum of professionals and comics fans whose opinions I respect.  That said, the strip will continue to develop along the lines that are meaningful to John and myself.  Hopefully that will translate into success but one can&#039;t start changing one&#039;s work to try to please everybody.  That only leads to a strip with no clear direction of its own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dawn while I respect your opinion and your instincts, I happen to have given birth to a son who talks like that and has since he was 8. Also history is littered with comic kids who don&#8217;t talk like kids (Milo Bloom to name one)and  &#8211; dare I say it &#8211; animals that don&#8217;t behave like animals. And also don&#8217;t talk like animals &#8211; if animals could talk. Every comic strip character represents a voice of the author. It&#8217;s just that some authors tick people off more than others. I would say that the points John makes in his strip are bound to tick some people off simply because he made them &#8211; that&#8217;s never going to change. What may change, and to some degree already has,  is the bluntness of the point to be made.  </p>
<p>A comic strip that includes political commentary has to walk a much finer line, apparently, than an editorial cartoon. Many editorial cartoons that I read regularly are far more blunt than Edison without catching heat for it  in this forum. John has always been aware that a daily strip is a much trickier platform from which to make a point, but both he and I enjoy the challenge.  He did not get into cartooning just to make a living drawing cute characters. He had things he wanted to say and he is saying them. </p>
<p>I have taken note of  the comments made here because it is a forum of professionals and comics fans whose opinions I respect.  That said, the strip will continue to develop along the lines that are meaningful to John and myself.  Hopefully that will translate into success but one can&#8217;t start changing one&#8217;s work to try to please everybody.  That only leads to a strip with no clear direction of its own.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn Douglass</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn Douglass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMO, Anne, after reading some of y&#039;all&#039;s cartoons, I suspect the ones that people think &quot;are the least elegantly written&quot; are the ones that cross the line of Edison Lee&#039;s voice and become the voice of the writer as you read along.

Even though he&#039;s a genius, he&#039;s still a ten year old boy.  The gags that remember he&#039;s a child genius work much better IMO than ones where he sounds like an adult.

Here&#039;s a suggestion.  Take it for what it&#039;s worth.  If you can replace Edison Lee in your mind&#039;s eye with an adult, and the gag works...if an adult would actual say and do the same thing, IOW...then the gag isn&#039;t great.  If it doesn&#039;t work as an adult, then the gag is probably good.

The gag where he&#039;s created a war game works, because a typical adult wouldn&#039;t re-create Stratego.  The tree digging (China) one falls flat, because what he is saying is more appropriate to an adult voice and has nothing &quot;kid&quot; in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO, Anne, after reading some of y&#8217;all&#8217;s cartoons, I suspect the ones that people think &#8220;are the least elegantly written&#8221; are the ones that cross the line of Edison Lee&#8217;s voice and become the voice of the writer as you read along.</p>
<p>Even though he&#8217;s a genius, he&#8217;s still a ten year old boy.  The gags that remember he&#8217;s a child genius work much better IMO than ones where he sounds like an adult.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a suggestion.  Take it for what it&#8217;s worth.  If you can replace Edison Lee in your mind&#8217;s eye with an adult, and the gag works&#8230;if an adult would actual say and do the same thing, IOW&#8230;then the gag isn&#8217;t great.  If it doesn&#8217;t work as an adult, then the gag is probably good.</p>
<p>The gag where he&#8217;s created a war game works, because a typical adult wouldn&#8217;t re-create Stratego.  The tree digging (China) one falls flat, because what he is saying is more appropriate to an adult voice and has nothing &#8220;kid&#8221; in it.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless of your political bent, one will not always see the political bias that&#039;s favorable to one&#039;s own. I remember reading a bunch of liberal blogs after the 2004 presidential elections. They were complaining that that the main stream media was too conservative which surprised me because all the conservative bloggers that I read were always complaining that the main stream media was continually bent to the left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of your political bent, one will not always see the political bias that&#8217;s favorable to one&#8217;s own. I remember reading a bunch of liberal blogs after the 2004 presidential elections. They were complaining that that the main stream media was too conservative which surprised me because all the conservative bloggers that I read were always complaining that the main stream media was continually bent to the left.</p>
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		<title>By: Malc McGookin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malc McGookin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People on the right of the political spectrum often prefer to paint themselves as moderates to complain about political comment in strips, that&#039;s understandable.

However, they don&#039;t complain about right wing bias in strips because they don&#039;t actually PERCEIVE it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People on the right of the political spectrum often prefer to paint themselves as moderates to complain about political comment in strips, that&#8217;s understandable.</p>
<p>However, they don&#8217;t complain about right wing bias in strips because they don&#8217;t actually PERCEIVE it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Hambrock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne Hambrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edison is supposed to emcompass the whole spectrum of social commentary, political, economic, philisophical, scientific, and pop or mass culture. This is a time honored mix, Doonesbury, Bloom County, and Pogo just to name a few. The bead I&#039;m getting is that most people feel the political ones are the least elegantly written and could use the most improvement to bring the level of the entire comic into sync. This may or may not be true depending on your point of view. It may or may not change depending on John&#039;s and my point of view and what sort or writing style fits the characters best. As I mentioned earlier that arc is an ever changing one. I have very definite opinions on which years of Bloom County were his best. Likewise with Trudeau. If I got into a detailed conversation as to which strips were my favorite and why, I am sure I would find plenty of people to both agree and disagree with me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edison is supposed to emcompass the whole spectrum of social commentary, political, economic, philisophical, scientific, and pop or mass culture. This is a time honored mix, Doonesbury, Bloom County, and Pogo just to name a few. The bead I&#8217;m getting is that most people feel the political ones are the least elegantly written and could use the most improvement to bring the level of the entire comic into sync. This may or may not be true depending on your point of view. It may or may not change depending on John&#8217;s and my point of view and what sort or writing style fits the characters best. As I mentioned earlier that arc is an ever changing one. I have very definite opinions on which years of Bloom County were his best. Likewise with Trudeau. If I got into a detailed conversation as to which strips were my favorite and why, I am sure I would find plenty of people to both agree and disagree with me.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Diesslin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Diesslin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Josh&#039;s point, from what I&#039;ve seen of Edison Lee, it isn&#039;t heavy handed when making it&#039;s points, so they should be acceptable to the mainstream. You can&#039;t do much about those that are looking to be offended on either extreme! ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Josh&#8217;s point, from what I&#8217;ve seen of Edison Lee, it isn&#8217;t heavy handed when making it&#8217;s points, so they should be acceptable to the mainstream. You can&#8217;t do much about those that are looking to be offended on either extreme! ;)</p>
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