Comments on: Bi-racial cartoons getting cold shoulder from newsppaers? http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/10/30/bi-racial-cartoons-getting-cold-shoulder-from-newsppaers/ The source for industry news for the professional cartoonist Sun, 12 Feb 2012 17:29:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Mark MacGeorge http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/10/30/bi-racial-cartoons-getting-cold-shoulder-from-newsppaers/#comment-64017 Mark MacGeorge Thu, 01 Nov 2007 23:19:32 +0000 http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/10/30/bi-racial-cartoons-getting-cold-shoulder-from-newsppaers/#comment-64017 You have got to check out the crazy irish chick http://thecrazyirishchick.blogspot.com Funny as hell cartoons! You have got to check out the crazy irish chick
http://thecrazyirishchick.blogspot.com
Funny as hell cartoons!

]]> By: Garey Mckee http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/10/30/bi-racial-cartoons-getting-cold-shoulder-from-newsppaers/#comment-64011 Garey Mckee Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:01:44 +0000 http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/10/30/bi-racial-cartoons-getting-cold-shoulder-from-newsppaers/#comment-64011 The most successful stories involving interracial relationships are the ones that don't even address the issue or make a big deal out of it. Portraying a married couple where one just happens to be black and the other just happens to be white is much more effective than portraying a married couple that contantly makes a big fuss over it. The most successful stories involving interracial relationships are the ones that don’t even address the issue or make a big deal out of it. Portraying a married couple where one just happens to be black and the other just happens to be white is much more effective than portraying a married couple that contantly makes a big fuss over it.

]]> By: Bill Holbrook http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/10/30/bi-racial-cartoons-getting-cold-shoulder-from-newsppaers/#comment-64008 Bill Holbrook Thu, 01 Nov 2007 19:06:45 +0000 http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/10/30/bi-racial-cartoons-getting-cold-shoulder-from-newsppaers/#comment-64008 The central relationship in Safe Havens is between the main character Samantha Argus, who is black, and Dave Hamper, who is white. It does have a multiracial cast, including mermaids and genetic alterations, as you remembered. :) The central relationship in Safe Havens is between the main character Samantha Argus, who is black, and Dave Hamper, who is white. It does have a multiracial cast, including mermaids and genetic alterations, as you remembered. :)

]]> By: Rich Diesslin http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/10/30/bi-racial-cartoons-getting-cold-shoulder-from-newsppaers/#comment-64006 Rich Diesslin Thu, 01 Nov 2007 17:58:37 +0000 http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/10/30/bi-racial-cartoons-getting-cold-shoulder-from-newsppaers/#comment-64006 Tak, good points. In looking at your strip, I can see that you are on a mission of sorts, but you do it in a way that is generally humorous enough not to be offensive. Including some surprising twists and fun with stereo types (both true and false ones)! Having no agenda for my general single panel cartoons, entertainment value is my main focus. Anyway, I hope your strip continues to pick up papers. If your strip succeeds it runs counter to the logic of Carlos (about papers not being ready to deal with bi-racial and ethnic characters), since your strip directly deals with these issues. He might be right in one sense, that being that Hispanic issues may be more tense (than Asian) due to the attention currently being given to illegal alien and border control issues. I still think there isn't much to the race argument preventing a strip from being syndicated. It would be more edifying to speculate on why a strip IS picked up for syndication (defying all odds) vs. why they aren't. Tak, good points. In looking at your strip, I can see that you are on a mission of sorts, but you do it in a way that is generally humorous enough not to be offensive. Including some surprising twists and fun with stereo types (both true and false ones)! Having no agenda for my general single panel cartoons, entertainment value is my main focus. Anyway, I hope your strip continues to pick up papers.

If your strip succeeds it runs counter to the logic of Carlos (about papers not being ready to deal with bi-racial and ethnic characters), since your strip directly deals with these issues. He might be right in one sense, that being that Hispanic issues may be more tense (than Asian) due to the attention currently being given to illegal alien and border control issues. I still think there isn’t much to the race argument preventing a strip from being syndicated. It would be more edifying to speculate on why a strip IS picked up for syndication (defying all odds) vs. why they aren’t.

]]> By: R Pyle http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/10/30/bi-racial-cartoons-getting-cold-shoulder-from-newsppaers/#comment-64000 R Pyle Thu, 01 Nov 2007 15:21:16 +0000 http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/10/30/bi-racial-cartoons-getting-cold-shoulder-from-newsppaers/#comment-64000 Is anyone on Safe Havens really biracial, or is it simply a multiracial cast? With all the mermaids and gene splicing, I've lost track. Is anyone on Safe Havens really biracial, or is it simply a multiracial cast? With all the mermaids and gene splicing, I’ve lost track.

]]> By: JeffM http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/10/30/bi-racial-cartoons-getting-cold-shoulder-from-newsppaers/#comment-63991 JeffM Thu, 01 Nov 2007 05:36:10 +0000 http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/10/30/bi-racial-cartoons-getting-cold-shoulder-from-newsppaers/#comment-63991 Is it really racism, or is it lack of talent? I don't care what color the characters are, I have to enjoy the strip to read it. Maybe this guy's strip isn't funny or engaging. Maybe it's not drawn very well. Is it really racism, or is it lack of talent?

I don’t care what color the characters are, I have to enjoy the strip to read it.

Maybe this guy’s strip isn’t funny or engaging. Maybe it’s not drawn very well.

]]> By: Tak Toyoshima http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/10/30/bi-racial-cartoons-getting-cold-shoulder-from-newsppaers/#comment-63988 Tak Toyoshima Thu, 01 Nov 2007 02:22:30 +0000 http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/10/30/bi-racial-cartoons-getting-cold-shoulder-from-newsppaers/#comment-63988 Rich: "Do you think the reader is really looking for the nuances, or just entertainment? I suppose it varies, but generally I’m looking for the latter." I think most people just want to be entertained. But when you have a message that you want to get through to readers I think it's important to gauge the current climate if you want to be effective. It's like tempering when you cook. Force something to mix too quickly and you get curdling. For the most part the comics pages are very tame and safe and have been for a really long time. It doesn't take much to upset readers, especially when you start throwing in sensitive subject matter. In the end I just like to focus on producing strips I love to write/draw, look up every now and then to see how people are reacting then go back to work. Eric: "Have you had any luck getting into the Boston Globe or the Boston Herald? I would think a hometown cartoonist would have an easier in than most…" I've been running in an alt-weekly called Boston's Weekly Dig (www.weeklydig.com) that I'm the art director for. It's been running there since 1999 and is my flagship paper. We're distributed in metro Boston so I made the request to keep it that way. The closest paper other than that is the Patriot Ledger which is in the South Shore of Boston. Still a pretty big paper around these parts. They've been great and very supportive. While it may not make sense to want to run once a week instead of daily I can only chalk it up to stubborn loyalty. Tom:"This is the sort of thing that would make a great round table discussion at a convention. There’s nothing like stirring up fiery debate, baby!" I totally agree. It's funny. Race is such a hot topic that EVERYONE has an opinion about yet it's a very taboo subject. Probably because everyone has an opinion about it. I think that's why I like talking about it so much. There's an element of danger but fueled by curiosity and the desire to get a greater understanding of what makes people tick. Rich: “Do you think the reader is really looking for the nuances, or just entertainment? I suppose it varies, but generally I’m looking for the latter.”
I think most people just want to be entertained. But when you have a message that you want to get through to readers I think it’s important to gauge the current climate if you want to be effective. It’s like tempering when you cook. Force something to mix too quickly and you get curdling. For the most part the comics pages are very tame and safe and have been for a really long time. It doesn’t take much to upset readers, especially when you start throwing in sensitive subject matter. In the end I just like to focus on producing strips I love to write/draw, look up every now and then to see how people are reacting then go back to work.

Eric: “Have you had any luck getting into the Boston Globe or the Boston Herald? I would think a hometown cartoonist would have an easier in than most…”
I’ve been running in an alt-weekly called Boston’s Weekly Dig (www.weeklydig.com) that I’m the art director for. It’s been running there since 1999 and is my flagship paper. We’re distributed in metro Boston so I made the request to keep it that way. The closest paper other than that is the Patriot Ledger which is in the South Shore of Boston. Still a pretty big paper around these parts. They’ve been great and very supportive. While it may not make sense to want to run once a week instead of daily I can only chalk it up to stubborn loyalty.

Tom:”This is the sort of thing that would make a great round table discussion at a convention. There’s nothing like stirring up fiery debate, baby!”
I totally agree. It’s funny. Race is such a hot topic that EVERYONE has an opinion about yet it’s a very taboo subject. Probably because everyone has an opinion about it. I think that’s why I like talking about it so much. There’s an element of danger but fueled by curiosity and the desire to get a greater understanding of what makes people tick.

]]> By: Bill Holbrook http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/10/30/bi-racial-cartoons-getting-cold-shoulder-from-newsppaers/#comment-63987 Bill Holbrook Thu, 01 Nov 2007 02:03:48 +0000 http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/10/30/bi-racial-cartoons-getting-cold-shoulder-from-newsppaers/#comment-63987 I'd also like to mention "Safe Havens," distributed by King Features. He's the URL: www.safehavenscomic.com I’d also like to mention “Safe Havens,” distributed by King Features. He’s the URL: http://www.safehavenscomic.com

]]> By: Tom Racine http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/10/30/bi-racial-cartoons-getting-cold-shoulder-from-newsppaers/#comment-63971 Tom Racine Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:50:36 +0000 http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/10/30/bi-racial-cartoons-getting-cold-shoulder-from-newsppaers/#comment-63971 By the way..."Secret Asian Man" is easily the best titled comic strip ever. I've been singing the 60's Johnny Rivers song all day. :) I'd love to think that comics are eventually judged by how entertaining they are, but I'm a 40-ish white guy in America...I'm the least predjudiced-against person on the planet, so I'm sure I'm missing a lot of that sort of stuff. (And I'm generally a naive cartoonist type who just wants to make people laugh, so again, I miss a lot of that stuff.) This is the sort of thing that would make a great round table discussion at a convention. There's nothing like stirring up fiery debate, baby! By the way…”Secret Asian Man” is easily the best titled comic strip ever. I’ve been singing the 60′s Johnny Rivers song all day. :)

I’d love to think that comics are eventually judged by how entertaining they are, but I’m a 40-ish white guy in America…I’m the least predjudiced-against person on the planet, so I’m sure I’m missing a lot of that sort of stuff. (And I’m generally a naive cartoonist type who just wants to make people laugh, so again, I miss a lot of that stuff.)

This is the sort of thing that would make a great round table discussion at a convention. There’s nothing like stirring up fiery debate, baby!

]]> By: Dawn Douglass http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/10/30/bi-racial-cartoons-getting-cold-shoulder-from-newsppaers/#comment-63963 Dawn Douglass Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:16:44 +0000 http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/10/30/bi-racial-cartoons-getting-cold-shoulder-from-newsppaers/#comment-63963 Nothing has taken off like Lio did last year. And half the strips that are launched are gone within one year or two. I don't think you can draw any conclusions from this kind of "evidence." Nothing has taken off like Lio did last year. And half the strips that are launched are gone within one year or two. I don’t think you can draw any conclusions from this kind of “evidence.”

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