Comments on: Dropped Opus Causing Questions of Double Standards (UPDATE) http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/08/29/dropped-opus-causing-questions-of-double-standards/ The source for industry news for the professional cartoonist Sun, 12 Feb 2012 00:54:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Chris http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/08/29/dropped-opus-causing-questions-of-double-standards/#comment-62688 Chris Sun, 23 Sep 2007 19:50:07 +0000 http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/08/28/dropped-opus-causing-questions-of-double-standards/#comment-62688 Off the subject of religion, I noticed that in today's 9/23/07 installment of "Opus," Lola Granola is again present as Fatima. Seems like Breathed is thumbing his nose at the papers who dropped him for those two weeks, as if to say, "I put the 'radical Islamist' part in there again, but it's not central to the joke, so you can't censor me!" It's a pretty good strip today, by the way. www.comics.com/wash/opus Off the subject of religion, I noticed that in today’s 9/23/07 installment of “Opus,” Lola Granola is again present as Fatima. Seems like Breathed is thumbing his nose at the papers who dropped him for those two weeks, as if to say, “I put the ‘radical Islamist’ part in there again, but it’s not central to the joke, so you can’t censor me!”

It’s a pretty good strip today, by the way.
http://www.comics.com/wash/opus

]]> By: John Walker http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/08/29/dropped-opus-causing-questions-of-double-standards/#comment-62175 John Walker Tue, 04 Sep 2007 20:15:41 +0000 http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/08/28/dropped-opus-causing-questions-of-double-standards/#comment-62175 Agreed. Agreed.

]]> By: JeffM http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/08/29/dropped-opus-causing-questions-of-double-standards/#comment-62166 JeffM Tue, 04 Sep 2007 17:16:16 +0000 http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/08/28/dropped-opus-causing-questions-of-double-standards/#comment-62166 Alan, there is no way a discussion about the censorship of a religious themed comic strip will not evolve into a heated discussion about religion in general. The only way to prevent such discussions is to not bring up in the first place. Unfortunately that is the nature of the beast! Alan, there is no way a discussion about the censorship of a religious themed comic strip will not evolve into a heated discussion about religion in general. The only way to prevent such discussions is to not bring up in the first place. Unfortunately that is the nature of the beast!

]]> By: Alan Gardner http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/08/29/dropped-opus-causing-questions-of-double-standards/#comment-62160 Alan Gardner Tue, 04 Sep 2007 15:23:38 +0000 http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/08/28/dropped-opus-causing-questions-of-double-standards/#comment-62160 No John, I'm not being intolerant, I'm simply no longer willing to allow the discussion to continue in flame-war fashion. <em>Appropriate</em> conversation could include whether the Washington Post (and other papers) make the right call to yank the strip, OR do American newspapers have a different standard when it comes to various religions, OR was the Opus strip offensive OR how do cartoonists deal with religion in their features, etc. If you want to talk about religion with out any context of cartooning, please find a more appropriate forum. No John, I’m not being intolerant, I’m simply no longer willing to allow the discussion to continue in flame-war fashion. Appropriate conversation could include whether the Washington Post (and other papers) make the right call to yank the strip, OR do American newspapers have a different standard when it comes to various religions, OR was the Opus strip offensive OR how do cartoonists deal with religion in their features, etc. If you want to talk about religion with out any context of cartooning, please find a more appropriate forum.

]]> By: John Walker http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/08/29/dropped-opus-causing-questions-of-double-standards/#comment-62153 John Walker Tue, 04 Sep 2007 13:44:10 +0000 http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/08/28/dropped-opus-causing-questions-of-double-standards/#comment-62153 JeffM, You're just one person and the essence of faith is that anyone can believe whatever they want to believe, and it becomes their truth. You're not the überChristian. Your opinion doesn't "win". The more fundamentalist people at my church, who are just as Christian as you, believe just as strongly as you. Who's right? The Opus cartoon debate shows, as well as Alan threatening to shut down the thread which is engaging in precisely the same kind of debate the cartoon itself engendered, that tolerance of other peoples' religious views and willingness to permit debate on such, are disappearing in what once was a tolerant country. JeffM,

You’re just one person and the essence of faith is that anyone can believe whatever they want to believe, and it becomes their truth.

You’re not the überChristian. Your opinion doesn’t “win”. The more fundamentalist people at my church, who are just as Christian as you, believe just as strongly as you.

Who’s right?

The Opus cartoon debate shows, as well as Alan threatening to shut down the thread which is engaging in precisely the same kind of debate the cartoon itself engendered, that tolerance of other peoples’ religious views and willingness to permit debate on such, are disappearing in what once was a tolerant country.

]]> By: Alan Gardner http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/08/29/dropped-opus-causing-questions-of-double-standards/#comment-62146 Alan Gardner Tue, 04 Sep 2007 05:50:28 +0000 http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/08/28/dropped-opus-causing-questions-of-double-standards/#comment-62146 I find it interesting that individuals on this thread have emailed me privately complaining about incendiary language that has erupted on other threads on this blog, but eagerly engage in it when they've got their own axe to grind. It has come to this. This is a cartooning news site and blog. The topic is cartooning. Occasionally we're going to venture into emotional topics of religion, race, and politics and I feel this blog gives interested parties a forum to discuss those issues in the context of cartooning. What I will no longer tolerate are individuals who routinely hijack threads with inflammatory statements. My new rules regarding thread misbehavior are these: 1. I'll post a warning comment to all warning that the thread is heading off course. 2. If the participants can't get the thread back on course, I'll close down thread. 3. Individuals who repeatedly hijack threads (or further fan the flames of a hijacked thread) will be banned entirely from posting future comments. Thank you all for your support. Alan Gardner I find it interesting that individuals on this thread have emailed me privately complaining about incendiary language that has erupted on other threads on this blog, but eagerly engage in it when they’ve got their own axe to grind.

It has come to this. This is a cartooning news site and blog. The topic is cartooning. Occasionally we’re going to venture into emotional topics of religion, race, and politics and I feel this blog gives interested parties a forum to discuss those issues in the context of cartooning. What I will no longer tolerate are individuals who routinely hijack threads with inflammatory statements.

My new rules regarding thread misbehavior are these:
1. I’ll post a warning comment to all warning that the thread is heading off course.
2. If the participants can’t get the thread back on course, I’ll close down thread.
3. Individuals who repeatedly hijack threads (or further fan the flames of a hijacked thread) will be banned entirely from posting future comments.

Thank you all for your support.

Alan Gardner

]]> By: JeffM http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/08/29/dropped-opus-causing-questions-of-double-standards/#comment-62145 JeffM Tue, 04 Sep 2007 05:11:25 +0000 http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/08/28/dropped-opus-causing-questions-of-double-standards/#comment-62145 No it's not true. I am a Christian and consider myself fundamentalist and I have never heard of such a thing. The Bible mentions fire coming from the sky in the end times at the hands of the Anti-Christ, but it's anyone's guess as to what that is. Christ doesn't need man to trigger his return. It's on God's timetable and it certainly isn't vengeful and contingent of mass destruction. No it’s not true. I am a Christian and consider myself fundamentalist and I have never heard of such a thing. The Bible mentions fire coming from the sky in the end times at the hands of the Anti-Christ, but it’s anyone’s guess as to what that is.

Christ doesn’t need man to trigger his return. It’s on God’s timetable and it certainly isn’t vengeful and contingent of mass destruction.

]]> By: John http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/08/29/dropped-opus-causing-questions-of-double-standards/#comment-62144 John Tue, 04 Sep 2007 03:47:23 +0000 http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/08/28/dropped-opus-causing-questions-of-double-standards/#comment-62144 "Rick said “Evangelical Christians believe that engaging in a nuclear holocaust between Isreal and the muslim world will bring forth the rapture and the return of Jesus Christ and their ascension into heaven. They actively believe this and pray and hope for it” Where in the hell did you hear this? Your comment is the most ignorant thing I have ever heard. Do me a favor and actually read the Bible before you post such idiotic nonsense for crying out loud." It's true, Jeff. A small but not irrelevant percentage of the people at my church believe this or some variation of it. “Rick said “Evangelical Christians believe that engaging in a nuclear holocaust between Isreal and the muslim world will bring forth the rapture and the return of Jesus Christ and their ascension into heaven. They actively believe this and pray and hope for it”

Where in the hell did you hear this? Your comment is the most ignorant thing I have ever heard. Do me a favor and actually read the Bible before you post such idiotic nonsense for crying out loud.”

It’s true, Jeff. A small but not irrelevant percentage of the people at my church believe this or some variation of it.

]]> By: Rich Diesslin http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/08/29/dropped-opus-causing-questions-of-double-standards/#comment-62143 Rich Diesslin Tue, 04 Sep 2007 03:37:41 +0000 http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/08/28/dropped-opus-causing-questions-of-double-standards/#comment-62143 Nice toon Dawn and Worth! Oh, and Alan, I look forward to more articles on the fallout from the Opus toons. It is interesting. Berkeley does like to toy with every aspect of cartooning ... syndicates, audience, other cartoonists, sensitive issues. He knows how to stir the pot (or smoke it). ;) Nice toon Dawn and Worth! Oh, and Alan, I look forward to more articles on the fallout from the Opus toons. It is interesting. Berkeley does like to toy with every aspect of cartooning … syndicates, audience, other cartoonists, sensitive issues. He knows how to stir the pot (or smoke it). ;)

]]> By: JeffM http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/08/29/dropped-opus-causing-questions-of-double-standards/#comment-62142 JeffM Tue, 04 Sep 2007 02:03:51 +0000 http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/08/28/dropped-opus-causing-questions-of-double-standards/#comment-62142 Rick said "Evangelical Christians believe that engaging in a nuclear holocaust between Isreal and the muslim world will bring forth the rapture and the return of Jesus Christ and their ascension into heaven. They actively believe this and pray and hope for it" Where in the hell did you hear this? Your comment is the most ignorant thing I have ever heard. Do me a favor and actually read the Bible before you post such idiotic nonsense for crying out loud. Rick said “Evangelical Christians believe that engaging in a nuclear holocaust between Isreal and the muslim world will bring forth the rapture and the return of Jesus Christ and their ascension into heaven. They actively believe this and pray and hope for it”

Where in the hell did you hear this? Your comment is the most ignorant thing I have ever heard. Do me a favor and actually read the Bible before you post such idiotic nonsense for crying out loud.

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