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	<title>Comments on: Black Leaders Demanding Ed Gamble Be Fired (UPDATED)</title>
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		<title>By: Alan Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At this point, I think we need a cooling off period. I&#039;m closing down this thread for the weekend.

&lt;strong&gt;UPDATE&lt;/strong&gt;: One final thought as I re-read some of these posts. I apologize to anyone who came here for an intellectual discussion Ed Gamble&#039;s cartoon and had to wade through an emotionally charged and at times racist comments. It is clear that America still working through issues of race. When the posts were coming through, I was scanning them for swear words (one of my no-nos), but not necessarily content. On topics of such weight, I will try to monitor the discussions more closely. Again, my apologies to anyone who has been offended. I would also add that opinions posted by visitors to this site are theirs alone and by not censoring their opinions one should not infer that I share those views.

Have a good weekend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At this point, I think we need a cooling off period. I&#8217;m closing down this thread for the weekend.</p>
<p><strong>UPDATE</strong>: One final thought as I re-read some of these posts. I apologize to anyone who came here for an intellectual discussion Ed Gamble&#8217;s cartoon and had to wade through an emotionally charged and at times racist comments. It is clear that America still working through issues of race. When the posts were coming through, I was scanning them for swear words (one of my no-nos), but not necessarily content. On topics of such weight, I will try to monitor the discussions more closely. Again, my apologies to anyone who has been offended. I would also add that opinions posted by visitors to this site are theirs alone and by not censoring their opinions one should not infer that I share those views.</p>
<p>Have a good weekend.</p>
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		<title>By: Angela</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually Robert, that comment I made was my feeble attempt at being sarcastic.  I was trying to make a funny about white people getting more than they bargained for by bringing us here. Black people have problems, but I don&#039;t really believe that we&#039;re the undoing of the nation.  

But hey, don&#039;t you have maybe a Klan meeting or something that you have to go attend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Robert, that comment I made was my feeble attempt at being sarcastic.  I was trying to make a funny about white people getting more than they bargained for by bringing us here. Black people have problems, but I don&#8217;t really believe that we&#8217;re the undoing of the nation.  </p>
<p>But hey, don&#8217;t you have maybe a Klan meeting or something that you have to go attend.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Alan Garnder:

Hey, man, this message board has taken a turn to the worse. Any way to filter out the racist remarks and personal attacks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Alan Garnder:</p>
<p>Hey, man, this message board has taken a turn to the worse. Any way to filter out the racist remarks and personal attacks?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>posted by Angela - DT said â€œBlack Africans were bought from other black Africans by the white slave traders and brought to America. There was evil on both sides.â€

DT, I think you â€œhit the nail on the head here.â€ White males have a really bad habit of justifying their wrong/immoral behavior because â€œblacks or _____________ (fill in the blank with any other ethnicity) did it to themselves first.â€
 

The difference Angela is that it was you who used this &quot;legacy of slavery&quot; nonsense as some sort of excuse to explain poor black behavior. you wrote - &quot;I suppose the evil white folks should have thought of THAT before they captured us like animals and brought us to the U.S. in the bottom of boats as slaves, trying to make a quick buck.&quot; 

What happened generations ago has nothing to do with the current levels of black male violence. Look at the collective trauma that the Jews and Japanese went through in WWII. Why aren&#039;t they more violent then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>posted by Angela &#8211; DT said â€œBlack Africans were bought from other black Africans by the white slave traders and brought to America. There was evil on both sides.â€</p>
<p>DT, I think you â€œhit the nail on the head here.â€ White males have a really bad habit of justifying their wrong/immoral behavior because â€œblacks or _____________ (fill in the blank with any other ethnicity) did it to themselves first.â€</p>
<p>The difference Angela is that it was you who used this &#8220;legacy of slavery&#8221; nonsense as some sort of excuse to explain poor black behavior. you wrote &#8211; &#8220;I suppose the evil white folks should have thought of THAT before they captured us like animals and brought us to the U.S. in the bottom of boats as slaves, trying to make a quick buck.&#8221; </p>
<p>What happened generations ago has nothing to do with the current levels of black male violence. Look at the collective trauma that the Jews and Japanese went through in WWII. Why aren&#8217;t they more violent then?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just another word for Rick Stromoski - Your desire to halt any and all conversation about race by trying to stigmatize people you disagree with is truly pathetic. You are not going to &quot;shun&quot; people away from speaking the truth just because it shatters your egalitarian myth. Your name calling makes for a very poor argument. It is obvious to me why you do this - because you have no intelligent argument to provide in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just another word for Rick Stromoski &#8211; Your desire to halt any and all conversation about race by trying to stigmatize people you disagree with is truly pathetic. You are not going to &#8220;shun&#8221; people away from speaking the truth just because it shatters your egalitarian myth. Your name calling makes for a very poor argument. It is obvious to me why you do this &#8211; because you have no intelligent argument to provide in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Angela</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DT said &quot;Black Africans were bought from other black Africans by the white slave traders and brought to America. There was evil on both sides.&quot;

DT, I think you &quot;hit the nail on the head here.&quot;  White males have a really bad habit of justifying their wrong/immoral behavior because &quot;blacks or _____________ (fill in the blank with any other ethnicity) did it to themselves first.&quot;  This cartoonist is guilty of this same warped thinking. 

  

Just like slavery was wrong for Africans, it&#039;s ALSO wrong for whites.  Just like using the word hoe it wrong for black men, it&#039;s ALSO wrong for white men.  Because some black men make misogynist statments about black women doesn&#039;t mean that white men now get a FREE PASS to it also without criticism.  


As I said before, now I have this headache from two different deomographics: young, stupid black men and old, stupid white men.  Just because white men say they are merely imitating black men does NOT make it acceptable or lessen the harmful effects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DT said &#8220;Black Africans were bought from other black Africans by the white slave traders and brought to America. There was evil on both sides.&#8221;</p>
<p>DT, I think you &#8220;hit the nail on the head here.&#8221;  White males have a really bad habit of justifying their wrong/immoral behavior because &#8220;blacks or _____________ (fill in the blank with any other ethnicity) did it to themselves first.&#8221;  This cartoonist is guilty of this same warped thinking. </p>
<p>Just like slavery was wrong for Africans, it&#8217;s ALSO wrong for whites.  Just like using the word hoe it wrong for black men, it&#8217;s ALSO wrong for white men.  Because some black men make misogynist statments about black women doesn&#8217;t mean that white men now get a FREE PASS to it also without criticism.  </p>
<p>As I said before, now I have this headache from two different deomographics: young, stupid black men and old, stupid white men.  Just because white men say they are merely imitating black men does NOT make it acceptable or lessen the harmful effects.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Rick Stromoski - a racist is generally considered a person who promotes untruths about race. You can not call a person a racist if what they say is in fact true so unless you can show where I was in error, your name calling is unfounded and without merit. Mere facts can not be considered racist. It is not racist to say that blacks murder at about 8 times the rate of whites. This FACT can be found on both the Department of Justice and FBI websites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Rick Stromoski &#8211; a racist is generally considered a person who promotes untruths about race. You can not call a person a racist if what they say is in fact true so unless you can show where I was in error, your name calling is unfounded and without merit. Mere facts can not be considered racist. It is not racist to say that blacks murder at about 8 times the rate of whites. This FACT can be found on both the Department of Justice and FBI websites.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick, you generally seem to be quick with the personal attacks. If you disagree with the guy&#039;s points, why don&#039;t you address his arguments?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick, you generally seem to be quick with the personal attacks. If you disagree with the guy&#8217;s points, why don&#8217;t you address his arguments?</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, this discussion takes some interesting turns!

Mike, editorial cartoonist offend a large group of their readers every day (usually conservatives);). That&#039;s what they do. A town meeting every time there&#039;s a flap about an editorial cartoon is seems overboard. Do you mean when the groups that are offended and make enough noise, then the paper should respond? If so, I suppose that makes sense. In this case, I&#039;m for an apology from the editor and cartoonist over an unintended slam on young girls ... and use the attention this is getting to address the main issue, which is the no snitching mentality. It can be a win-win. The cartoonist/paper can turn the negative into a positive (making their point and satisfying the offended folks) if the paper and he handle it right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, this discussion takes some interesting turns!</p>
<p>Mike, editorial cartoonist offend a large group of their readers every day (usually conservatives);). That&#8217;s what they do. A town meeting every time there&#8217;s a flap about an editorial cartoon is seems overboard. Do you mean when the groups that are offended and make enough noise, then the paper should respond? If so, I suppose that makes sense. In this case, I&#8217;m for an apology from the editor and cartoonist over an unintended slam on young girls &#8230; and use the attention this is getting to address the main issue, which is the no snitching mentality. It can be a win-win. The cartoonist/paper can turn the negative into a positive (making their point and satisfying the offended folks) if the paper and he handle it right.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Stromoski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Stromoski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Posters such as&quot; Robert&quot; are very open about voicing their unlettered racist sputum when shrouded in anonymity. They neither identify themselves nor leave a link to their email to be responded to. I wonder if he and others like him would be so bold if in order to post, (like pretty much every other cartoonists bulletin board worth it&#039;s salt) that you would have to be identified by your proper name or a link to your email so you can be properly shunned. Of course, that would mean that people would be hesitant to voice what they truly feel about an issue or to trash other cartoonists work for fear of being called on it. But isn&#039;t that the point? To spare the rest of us having to be subjected to the rantings of racist cowards  what could be compared to an acrid fart in a crowded elevator? With the prior knowledge that everyone would know who &quot;dealt it&quot; maybe it will  force the potential flatulent to just hold it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Posters such as&#8221; Robert&#8221; are very open about voicing their unlettered racist sputum when shrouded in anonymity. They neither identify themselves nor leave a link to their email to be responded to. I wonder if he and others like him would be so bold if in order to post, (like pretty much every other cartoonists bulletin board worth it&#8217;s salt) that you would have to be identified by your proper name or a link to your email so you can be properly shunned. Of course, that would mean that people would be hesitant to voice what they truly feel about an issue or to trash other cartoonists work for fear of being called on it. But isn&#8217;t that the point? To spare the rest of us having to be subjected to the rantings of racist cowards  what could be compared to an acrid fart in a crowded elevator? With the prior knowledge that everyone would know who &#8220;dealt it&#8221; maybe it will  force the potential flatulent to just hold it.</p>
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