Comments on: Tom Toles ‘Toons Ticks off Two Readers

By: Rich

Rich — Thu, 16 Aug 2007 19:37:26 +0000

To me, the difference is that Toles uses the 911 reference positively. “Let’s roll” was a very heroic battle cry for taking positive action in a negative situation. So using it in his cartoon is respecting the heroism rather than denigrating it. When stereotypes and references are used in a positive light, I think it’s harder to be critical than when used negatively. For those that think this is disrespecting 911 victims because it makes light of a truly tragic situation, that’s unfortunate but I can understand the concern. Yet, I see this as honoring a heroic tradition by using it as an example in a situation that, while not life-threatening, makes a good point about how the airlines are holding passengers hostage and the need for something “heroic” to be done to remedy it.

By: Jeff Darcy

Jeff Darcy — Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:34:09 +0000

Now that you mention it Mike, I do see a difference. You bashed cartoonists for being insensitive to the Bridge collapse victims. To me,the Toles toon was far more insensitve to the 911 victims than any of the bridge cartoons you bashed. It seems you’re trying to have it both ways.

By: Dave M.

Dave M. — Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:22:03 +0000

I guess this item is just another example of Tom Toles being overrated.

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/departments/syndicates/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003625550

By: Mike Lester

Mike Lester — Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:06:55 +0000

You “see no difference between the two” yet “regret” and “apologised” for a using a bridge collapse as metaphor for Bush Admin. criticism. Have I got that right? Toles used hijacked airline passengers analagous to…hijacked airline passengers.

no time to play today, on deadline: using mine cave-in to bash HillBillary.

By: Jeff Darcy

Jeff Darcy — Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:46:13 +0000

Mike,
How do you square your praise for Toles cartoon with your AAEC Forum criticism of cartoonists using the bridge collapse as a metaphor to comment on Bush and other issues? If thats insensitive to the victims, as you charged, how’s the Toles cartoon not also? I see no difference between the two. I regret using a collapsed bridge metaphore to comment on Rummy and apologised to readers who called. By the next day however it seemed like every cartoonist in the country was using it as a metaphor. As well constructed an idea Toles cartoon was, if I was his Editor, I’d probably be asking him what else he had to offer that day.
Jeff Darcy

By: Dean Turnbloom

Dean Turnbloom — Tue, 14 Aug 2007 16:16:10 +0000

I find Toles to be very amusing most of the time. This cartoon, although I don’t think I would have used the phrase “let’s roll” out of respect, is very funny. I have no real objection to it being used in this particular context – it doesn’t appear to be disrespectful at all. My hesitance in using what he must have known had the potential for controversy may be why I’m not one of the well-known (or even known) names in editorial cartooning.

By: anne

anne — Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:56:48 +0000

Mike,
I think you should probably re-read your own previous post to “Rob” in which you remind him to stay on topic and avoid personal attacks. I saw no comment on the toon in question in Chris’s post . All I saw was a personal attack on Toles and the comment that he and his kind should “go away”. I stand by my assertion that, in america, as you point out, Toles doesn’t have to “go away” he can go on his merry way offending anyone he wants. If he goes too far, there may be economic pressures brought to bear in terms of a boycott of his work but Chris and those like him aren’t interested in things like boycotts, they are only interested in childish out bursts like “go away”. Perhaps Chris should join in with the letter writers to the WAPO to express his opinion – I was under the impression that Alan set up this blog as a place for discourse, not attacks.

By: Mike Lester

Mike Lester — Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:23:00 +0000

In the immortal words of Yosemite Sam, “Whoa, mule!”.

First, The Famous yet Mysterious Rob, Chris and even you, Anne, are well within their righs to say “these sorts or derogatory things”. And while I’d prefer you back it up, in America it’s not even a requirement.

By: anne

anne — Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:08:47 +0000

Chris,
I am getting really tired of this attitude I am finding here and all over the web (though,thankfully, not as much here as on other sites) of major intolerance and hate. If you don’t like someone’s work, don’t read it. Just because it isn’t your taste doesn’t mean the person is a hack. Saying these sorts or derogatory things about one of the giants of the business is just low class.

I may be wrong, but I believe Alan posts these stories to demonstrate the relationship of comics to the culture and public they reflect so as to give the comic creating community food for thought as they analyse the public pulse. Not, to invite abuse of said cartoonist. If you have a legitimate criticism of the cartoon in question, such as whether it crossed a line, fine.
What I really object to is the view that people unlike you should “simply go away”. Go where? Out of the business? Off the planet? Learn to accept that people you don’t personally like are going to continue to be allowed to take up space in both the business and on the planet.

By: Charles Brubaker

Charles Brubaker — Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:31:22 +0000

“He like many members of his generation and profession should simply go away.”

You do realize that the left-wing portion of the editorial cartoonist profession takes up about 75%, don’t you?