Comments on: Shoe to get dropped, Comics to be ranked in popularity http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/06/18/shoe-to-get-dropped-comics-to-be-ranked-in-popularity/ The source for industry news for the professional cartoonist Sun, 12 Feb 2012 15:23:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: The Daily Cartoonist | News and blog about comic strips, editorial cartoons, cartoons http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/06/18/shoe-to-get-dropped-comics-to-be-ranked-in-popularity/#comment-51063 The Daily Cartoonist | News and blog about comic strips, editorial cartoons, cartoons Mon, 25 Jun 2007 07:15:51 +0000 http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/06/18/shoe-to-get-dropped-comics-to-be-ranked-in-popularity/#comment-51063 [...] last week, I wrote that the Bristol Herald Courier was giving Jeff MacNelly’s Shoe the boot to make room for a new feature and that a good ol’ fashion paper ballot poll was underway to [...] [...] last week, I wrote that the Bristol Herald Courier was giving Jeff MacNelly’s Shoe the boot to make room for a new feature and that a good ol’ fashion paper ballot poll was underway to [...]

]]> By: Alex Hallatt http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/06/18/shoe-to-get-dropped-comics-to-be-ranked-in-popularity/#comment-49677 Alex Hallatt Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:36:53 +0000 http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/06/18/shoe-to-get-dropped-comics-to-be-ranked-in-popularity/#comment-49677 There's a good comment on polls in the June 21st showing of Inkpen http://www.gocomics.com/inkpen/ There’s a good comment on polls in the June 21st showing of Inkpen
http://www.gocomics.com/inkpen/

]]> By: Alex Hallatt http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/06/18/shoe-to-get-dropped-comics-to-be-ranked-in-popularity/#comment-49615 Alex Hallatt Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:12:13 +0000 http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/06/18/shoe-to-get-dropped-comics-to-be-ranked-in-popularity/#comment-49615 Hello Lefitte. I was picking up on the initial post about Shoe being an editors' favourite, not so much that it was my favourite (though I used to read it when I lived in the States). So I remembered it being intelligently written and I HOPED that was why it was an editors' favourite. But as is apparent from the other posts here, I am probably wrong! Hello Lefitte. I was picking up on the initial post about Shoe being an editors’ favourite, not so much that it was my favourite (though I used to read it when I lived in the States). So I remembered it being intelligently written and I HOPED that was why it was an editors’ favourite. But as is apparent from the other posts here, I am probably wrong!

]]> By: Dawson http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/06/18/shoe-to-get-dropped-comics-to-be-ranked-in-popularity/#comment-49175 Dawson Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:30:20 +0000 http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/06/18/shoe-to-get-dropped-comics-to-be-ranked-in-popularity/#comment-49175 Gosh, this is new... a newspaper is going to run a comics poll, but not base its decision on the poll results. And instead of instilling some fire into its readership and attracting new readers, the paper is considering running strips which have all been around for several years... and are most seriously considering a comic that senior citizens like. Now that's planning for the future! But then, Media General owns more daily newspapers in the Southeast than any other company, so they must know what they're doing. Gosh, this is new… a newspaper is going to run a comics poll, but not base its decision on the poll results.

And instead of instilling some fire into its readership and attracting new readers, the paper is considering running strips which have all been around for several years… and are most seriously considering a comic that senior citizens like. Now that’s planning for the future! But then, Media General owns more daily newspapers in the Southeast than any other company, so they must know what they’re doing.

]]> By: Alex Hallatt http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/06/18/shoe-to-get-dropped-comics-to-be-ranked-in-popularity/#comment-48798 Alex Hallatt Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:41:35 +0000 http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/06/18/shoe-to-get-dropped-comics-to-be-ranked-in-popularity/#comment-48798 I guess I was lucky because I got my first break working as the daily cartoonist for a newspaper in Brighton by faxing a mock-up of the paper with my cartoons in it to the editor. The editor was a real cartoon fan and hired me the next week. I worked there for 4 years and he was instrumental in tightening up my copy and drawing seagulls on my roughs... He got fired (not for the seagulls, but because of falling sales) and is now working as a sub-editor on a London daily. So I guess I know what you are saying, but hate to believe it... I guess I was lucky because I got my first break working as the daily cartoonist for a newspaper in Brighton by faxing a mock-up of the paper with my cartoons in it to the editor. The editor was a real cartoon fan and hired me the next week. I worked there for 4 years and he was instrumental in tightening up my copy and drawing seagulls on my roughs… He got fired (not for the seagulls, but because of falling sales) and is now working as a sub-editor on a London daily. So I guess I know what you are saying, but hate to believe it…

]]> By: lefitte http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/06/18/shoe-to-get-dropped-comics-to-be-ranked-in-popularity/#comment-48531 lefitte Tue, 19 Jun 2007 05:13:37 +0000 http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/06/18/shoe-to-get-dropped-comics-to-be-ranked-in-popularity/#comment-48531 No offence, but defending a strip you "haven't read lately" weakens any plausible argument you could make. No offence, but defending a strip you “haven’t read lately” weakens any plausible argument you could make.

]]> By: Jeff Stanson http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/06/18/shoe-to-get-dropped-comics-to-be-ranked-in-popularity/#comment-48513 Jeff Stanson Tue, 19 Jun 2007 04:28:18 +0000 http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/06/18/shoe-to-get-dropped-comics-to-be-ranked-in-popularity/#comment-48513 Alex, I can tell you from experience of serving on the editorial staff of three newspapers and one group that some editors are more intelligent than the average reader and some aren't. I have a master's in journalism as those of us who were associated with the hard news or editorials usually did (but believe me, a degree is not necessarily a sign of intelligence). If you are suggesting, however, that editors who choose comics are going to be people who know more about choosing comics than you (as in the global "you"), you (as in the personal "you") are most likely mistaken. The majority of comics are chosen by feature editors who could really care less about the comics, and certainly don't look at the comics from a fan's point of view. Most of what I saw in the latter days before I escaped the newspaper game, and what I see now in keeping up with the business, is that comics are chosen because either 1) other papers are carrying them, or 2) the comic strips have acheived some sort of following for being counter-culture or against what society perceives as the "norm." And I'm as serious as I can be when I say that, because I've seen it over and over, first hand. Alex, I can tell you from experience of serving on the editorial staff of three newspapers and one group that some editors are more intelligent than the average reader and some aren’t. I have a master’s in journalism as those of us who were associated with the hard news or editorials usually did (but believe me, a degree is not necessarily a sign of intelligence). If you are suggesting, however, that editors who choose comics are going to be people who know more about choosing comics than you (as in the global “you”), you (as in the personal “you”) are most likely mistaken. The majority of comics are chosen by feature editors who could really care less about the comics, and certainly don’t look at the comics from a fan’s point of view. Most of what I saw in the latter days before I escaped the newspaper game, and what I see now in keeping up with the business, is that comics are chosen because either 1) other papers are carrying them, or 2) the comic strips have acheived some sort of following for being counter-culture or against what society perceives as the “norm.” And I’m as serious as I can be when I say that, because I’ve seen it over and over, first hand.

]]> By: Alex Hallatt http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/06/18/shoe-to-get-dropped-comics-to-be-ranked-in-popularity/#comment-48507 Alex Hallatt Tue, 19 Jun 2007 03:57:41 +0000 http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/06/18/shoe-to-get-dropped-comics-to-be-ranked-in-popularity/#comment-48507 True. I haven't read it recently, but it used to be funny. You would also hope that editors are more intelligent than the average reader, but perhaps that has changed too.... True. I haven’t read it recently, but it used to be funny. You would also hope that editors are more intelligent than the average reader, but perhaps that has changed too….

]]> By: Jeff Stanson http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/06/18/shoe-to-get-dropped-comics-to-be-ranked-in-popularity/#comment-48453 Jeff Stanson Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:58:01 +0000 http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/06/18/shoe-to-get-dropped-comics-to-be-ranked-in-popularity/#comment-48453 Shoe was GREAT in its early days with its right-on spoof of the newspaper industry (which I was part of at the time). However, MacNelly himself was the one who chose to depict the newspaper industry less and less, and because of that, it's my opinion that Shoe is a prime example of a strip that lost its vision under its original creator. Thank you Courier for recognizing the current version is only kept alive by editors who "remember when," a sentiment that to me, is far less relevant than when readers want to keep strips because they "remember when." After all, the readers are end user customers, and as such, should carry more clout. Shoe was GREAT in its early days with its right-on spoof of the newspaper industry (which I was part of at the time). However, MacNelly himself was the one who chose to depict the newspaper industry less and less, and because of that, it’s my opinion that Shoe is a prime example of a strip that lost its vision under its original creator. Thank you Courier for recognizing the current version is only kept alive by editors who “remember when,” a sentiment that to me, is far less relevant than when readers want to keep strips because they “remember when.” After all, the readers are end user customers, and as such, should carry more clout.

]]> By: Garey Mckee http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/06/18/shoe-to-get-dropped-comics-to-be-ranked-in-popularity/#comment-48420 Garey Mckee Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:45:20 +0000 http://dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2007/06/18/shoe-to-get-dropped-comics-to-be-ranked-in-popularity/#comment-48420 Shoe is definately one of those "not what it used to be" strips, suffering from the lack of vision and the voice of it's creator Jeff MacNelly. I'm not bashing Chris Cassatt or Gary Brookins, it has to be difficult to try to step in and carry on someone else's unique work. The question is, should it be done at all? Shoe is definately one of those “not what it used to be” strips, suffering from the lack of vision and the voice of it’s creator Jeff MacNelly. I’m not bashing Chris Cassatt or Gary Brookins, it has to be difficult to try to step in and carry on someone else’s unique work. The question is, should it be done at all?

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