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Candorville and 8 others in St. Paul Press ‘keep or drop’ survey

Darrin Bell has mentioned on his blog that his feature, Candorville, along with eight other features are part of a comic survey at St. Paul Pioneer Press. Readers are encouraged to vote for their favorite and can vote once a day.

The nine comics under scrutiny are: Candorville, Dog Eat Doug, Fred Basset, Lio, Mutts, Non Sequitur, Piranha Club, Red and Rover, and Sylvia.

Community Comments

#1 Mark T
August/23/2006
@ 4:51 pm

OK, this has to be by far the most retarded way of choosing which comics go and which ones stay.

C’mon, let’s all write to this paper and let ’em know what we think of these “polls”.

comics_survey@pioneerpress.com

I say don’t vote for any comics! Just tell the editors to do their jobs and be editors!

COME ON! EVERYBODY JUMP IN!

#2 Mark T
August/23/2006
@ 10:51 am

OK, this has to be by far the most retarded way of choosing which comics go and which ones stay.

C’mon, let’s all write to this paper and let ’em know what we think of these “polls”.

comics_survey@pioneerpress.com

I say don’t vote for any comics! Just tell the editors to do their jobs and be editors!

COME ON! EVERYBODY JUMP IN!

#3 Norm Feuti
August/23/2006
@ 6:15 pm

I agree that any online poll (especially one where an individual can vote more than once) is inherently flawed.

Why should anyone who is not a customer or potential customer of the Pioneer Press have a say as to which comics go in it?

#4 Norm Feuti
August/23/2006
@ 12:15 pm

I agree that any online poll (especially one where an individual can vote more than once) is inherently flawed.

Why should anyone who is not a customer or potential customer of the Pioneer Press have a say as to which comics go in it?

#5 Charles Brubaker
August/23/2006
@ 7:56 pm

Goodness…

Okay, I don’t really mind comic polls in general, but this is borderline ridiculous.

You have to send a email EVERY FREAKIN’ DAY!? Goodness, that’s just odd.

I remember hearing Bill Holbrook (who draws two syndicated comics and one webcomic) in one interview where he said that he likes his newspaper because their comics section has few of everything (some in the politics field, some in the “classics” field, some in the “modern” field…etc). I think all newspapers should do that.

#6 Charles Brubaker
August/23/2006
@ 1:56 pm

Goodness…

Okay, I don’t really mind comic polls in general, but this is borderline ridiculous.

You have to send a email EVERY FREAKIN’ DAY!? Goodness, that’s just odd.

I remember hearing Bill Holbrook (who draws two syndicated comics and one webcomic) in one interview where he said that he likes his newspaper because their comics section has few of everything (some in the politics field, some in the “classics” field, some in the “modern” field…etc). I think all newspapers should do that.

#7 Paul
August/24/2006
@ 12:32 pm

Demonstrates editors’ sheer laziness or basic misunderstanding of survey design. If purpose is to respond to readers, then survey should be limited to readers. Who vote once. Unless you read the comics every day of the year, then you should be able to vote at least 365 times.

But the editors should be consistent. Soon they should have surveys on which lifestyle/metro columnists should be dropped, which wire services they pull stories from should be dropped, which sections of the newspaper should be dropped (all those darn ads!) and, finally, which editors should be dropped.

#8 Paul
August/24/2006
@ 6:32 am

Demonstrates editors’ sheer laziness or basic misunderstanding of survey design. If purpose is to respond to readers, then survey should be limited to readers. Who vote once. Unless you read the comics every day of the year, then you should be able to vote at least 365 times.

But the editors should be consistent. Soon they should have surveys on which lifestyle/metro columnists should be dropped, which wire services they pull stories from should be dropped, which sections of the newspaper should be dropped (all those darn ads!) and, finally, which editors should be dropped.

#9 ROB
August/24/2006
@ 2:34 pm

You should only worry about being dumped if you think your strip is not really popular with the readers. Otherwise don’t sweat it. If you haven’t built a following of some sort by now maybe you need to rethink your strip or go apply for a job a Macy’s. I hear they have an excellent executive training program.

#10 ROB
August/24/2006
@ 8:34 am

You should only worry about being dumped if you think your strip is not really popular with the readers. Otherwise don’t sweat it. If you haven’t built a following of some sort by now maybe you need to rethink your strip or go apply for a job a Macy’s. I hear they have an excellent executive training program.

#11 Alan
August/24/2006
@ 3:13 pm

Rob, I personally don’t have a problem with editors running polls or surveys to gauge a feature’s popularity, but I think the cartoonists in question are worried about how easy it would be for someone to manipulate the outcome and therefore invalidating the accuracy of how popular one feature might be over another.

I could easily write a script that would send in 100 (or a thousand for that matter) emails a day (from different bogus email accounts, and IP addresses so they didn’t look like the same person) and then repeat that every day until they announced a winner.

#12 Alan
August/24/2006
@ 9:13 am

Rob, I personally don’t have a problem with editors running polls or surveys to gauge a feature’s popularity, but I think the cartoonists in question are worried about how easy it would be for someone to manipulate the outcome and therefore invalidating the accuracy of how popular one feature might be over another.

I could easily write a script that would send in 100 (or a thousand for that matter) emails a day (from different bogus email accounts, and IP addresses so they didn’t look like the same person) and then repeat that every day until they announced a winner.

#13 johnw
August/25/2006
@ 8:38 pm

These reader polls tend to be dominated by long-established strips, no matter how trite or stale they may have become. “New” strips, meaning those in a newspaper for less than a decade or so, almost always do badly. A lot of readers value familiarity more than humor, storytelling, or art.

Also, humor with a bite tends to do poorly. “Candorville” and “Piranha Club” stand a good chance of finishing near the bottom of this poll.

This also shows you how little value editors place on their comics pages. There’s no way they’d have a “reader poll” for news stories or columnists. They don’t seem to realize that a good comics page can be a real asset to a newspaper — like a top-notch dessert menu at a restaurant.

#14 johnw
August/25/2006
@ 2:38 pm

These reader polls tend to be dominated by long-established strips, no matter how trite or stale they may have become. “New” strips, meaning those in a newspaper for less than a decade or so, almost always do badly. A lot of readers value familiarity more than humor, storytelling, or art.

Also, humor with a bite tends to do poorly. “Candorville” and “Piranha Club” stand a good chance of finishing near the bottom of this poll.

This also shows you how little value editors place on their comics pages. There’s no way they’d have a “reader poll” for news stories or columnists. They don’t seem to realize that a good comics page can be a real asset to a newspaper — like a top-notch dessert menu at a restaurant.

#15 Norm Feuti
August/25/2006
@ 9:38 pm

johnw,

“Top-notch dessert menu” … I love that.

Great analogy.

#16 Norm Feuti
August/25/2006
@ 3:38 pm

johnw,

“Top-notch dessert menu” … I love that.

Great analogy.

#17 Jonathan
August/26/2006
@ 8:42 pm

Why are newspaper strips cursed with attitudes like this?
If newspapers want a vibrant comics section that will attract readers then they have to give the section some respect. Editors should take responsibilty for the comics they pick for their newspapers and then show some loyalty to their choices. Put some excitement back in this section!
I guess the thinking is that these polls involve the readers but I think it just discourages the creators and alienates many readers. Which is perhaps why both groups are turning away from print and more to web comics.

#18 Jonathan
August/26/2006
@ 2:42 pm

Why are newspaper strips cursed with attitudes like this?
If newspapers want a vibrant comics section that will attract readers then they have to give the section some respect. Editors should take responsibilty for the comics they pick for their newspapers and then show some loyalty to their choices. Put some excitement back in this section!
I guess the thinking is that these polls involve the readers but I think it just discourages the creators and alienates many readers. Which is perhaps why both groups are turning away from print and more to web comics.

#19 Gail Westing
August/27/2006
@ 11:45 pm

Must keep: Mutts Must drop: Piranha Club

#20 Gail Westing
August/27/2006
@ 5:45 pm

Must keep: Mutts Must drop: Piranha Club

#21 Dave Kenan
August/28/2006
@ 7:35 pm

Keep: Non Sequitur
Drop: Piranha Club

#22 Dave Kenan
August/28/2006
@ 1:35 pm

Keep: Non Sequitur
Drop: Piranha Club

#23 Rob
August/28/2006
@ 8:05 pm

Drop them all and start from scratch.

#24 Rob
August/28/2006
@ 2:05 pm

Drop them all and start from scratch.

#25 Jeff
August/29/2006
@ 6:15 pm

Polls conducted by newspapers are horribly unscientific, and as a result are really meaningless as a tool to gauge which comics a paper should run. I prefer the music store analogy. A good music store carries all kinds of music, not just a certain type of music, music for a certain type of listener, or the top selling music. Newspapers should offer various types of comics for various readers, not just a certain type of comic, comics for a certain type of reader, or the top vote-getting comics.

#26 pat shaughnessy
August/30/2006
@ 1:54 am

animal lover,keep mutts,drop sylvia

#27 pat shaughnessy
August/29/2006
@ 7:54 pm

animal lover,keep mutts,drop sylvia

#28 pat shaughnessy
August/30/2006
@ 3:58 am

keep all the animal cartoons

#29 pat shaughnessy
August/29/2006
@ 9:58 pm

keep all the animal cartoons

#30 Paul
August/30/2006
@ 1:04 pm

“Music Score Analogy” – perfect. In fact, newspapers do just that with their different sections – international, national and local news, metro, arts, sports, business, columnists covering various topics. They don’t have just local news, or high school sports, swimming team.

#31 Paul
August/30/2006
@ 7:04 am

“Music Score Analogy” – perfect. In fact, newspapers do just that with their different sections – international, national and local news, metro, arts, sports, business, columnists covering various topics. They don’t have just local news, or high school sports, swimming team.

#32 Jenny
August/30/2006
@ 5:07 pm

Please keep Fred Bassett

#33 Jenny
August/30/2006
@ 11:07 am

Please keep Fred Bassett

#34 Denny
August/30/2006
@ 5:28 pm

Please keep Fred Bassett … in a hole and then cover that hole with industrial strength cement. If there is such a thing.

#35 Denny
August/30/2006
@ 11:28 am

Please keep Fred Bassett … in a hole and then cover that hole with industrial strength cement. If there is such a thing.

#36 Helen Enlow
August/30/2006
@ 5:45 pm

Maybe at the age of 82 my eyes are failing – I find it difficult to read the print in the Sylvia strip altho the message is usually sutble and often with much irony. Why don’t we ever see her “ma”? I vote KEEP SYLVIA.

Drop Candorville.

#37 pat shaughnessy
August/30/2006
@ 9:37 pm

keep dog eat doug lose lio thanks

#38 pat s
August/31/2006
@ 5:52 pm

keep red an rover drop lio

#39 paul
September/1/2006
@ 2:32 pm

keep Piranha Club
drop fred basset

#40 paul
September/1/2006
@ 8:32 am

keep Piranha Club
drop fred basset

#41 sue wandtke
September/1/2006
@ 3:14 pm

keep- Fred Basset
drop- Sylvia

#42 sue wandtke
September/1/2006
@ 9:14 am

keep- Fred Basset
drop- Sylvia

#43 Pat
September/1/2006
@ 6:29 pm

Keep – Mutts; Drop – Sylvia

#44 Pat
September/1/2006
@ 12:29 pm

Keep – Mutts; Drop – Sylvia

#45 Mark T
September/2/2006
@ 5:01 am

Leave – the gun; Take – the cannolis

#46 Mark T
September/1/2006
@ 11:01 pm

Leave – the gun; Take – the cannolis

#47 Kathleen O'Shaughnessy
September/2/2006
@ 4:11 pm

Drop Lio and put back THE LOCKHORNS
We miss them

#48 Kathleen O'Shaughnessy
September/2/2006
@ 10:11 am

Drop Lio and put back THE LOCKHORNS
We miss them

#49 Alan
September/2/2006
@ 10:22 pm

Mark, great Godfather reference!

#50 Alan
September/2/2006
@ 4:22 pm

Mark, great Godfather reference!

#51 Kristen
September/3/2006
@ 2:38 pm

KEEP RED AND ROVER!!!! I don’t care about the rest.

#52 Kristen
September/3/2006
@ 8:38 am

KEEP RED AND ROVER!!!! I don’t care about the rest.

#53 Lefitte
September/4/2006
@ 5:42 am

Keep Tumbleweeds lose Calvin & Hobbes

— whoops sorry I thought it was 1985

#54 Lefitte
September/3/2006
@ 11:42 pm

Keep Tumbleweeds lose Calvin & Hobbes

— whoops sorry I thought it was 1985

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